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[Green Crayons]

It's me

Do you have a pathological compulsion to make posts that acknowledge you're scum?

[votato]

n. read recent interactions. might not have mentioned by name, but the last 18 hours have a lot of me+fb interactions. plus a lot of the time i abbreviate to fb, so maybe search that too. i talked about disagreeing with his reads yesterday, and his odd push on me seeems pretty backwards and out of character for him.

[humaneatingmonkey]

are we back to this

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you guys think about my elements and NorwEE read

[votato]

It's me

Do you have a pathological compulsion to make posts that acknowledge you're scum?

more or less. it would be boring to just be a townie all the time.

[Green Crayons]

I scumlean Norwee because of his inorganic tone shift from analytical to no-fucks-given in early game when it became apparent that this game features a fine roster of shitposters.

Yup.

My idea is that if Deimos is scum here, Isis+Norwee+votato is the pool of people I'll look for scum from.

I agree except I'm a believer of Isis being town. Also, if Deimos flipped scum, I'd think Isis is more likely town (and vice versa) because of how she attacked the Deimos wagon.

[Green Crayons]

i'm scumleaning elements. his positionings are opportunistic and so far, he's shown behavior that leads me to think that he's not really interested in trying to work with town or figure out who scum is.

can you provide examples?

i was townreading him with the idea that Isis' comments on elements make him town, regardless of whether or not Isis is scum or town. but now i'm really reading elements' initial vote as less passive more trying to get on a town strategy he thinks will get him cred.

i think elements was just as confused as i was.

I don't understand this.

[votato]

do you mean these posts?

I'm thinking looker town atm and fire town

why is looker and fire town? tell me where your head was in post 82.

i'm scumleaning elements.

his positionings are opportunistic and so far, he's shown behavior that leads me to think that he's not really interested in trying to work with town or figure out who scum is.

i was townreading him with the idea that Isis' comments on elements make him town, regardless of whether or not Isis is scum or town. but now i'm really reading elements' initial vote as less passive more trying to get on a town strategy he thinks will get him cred. i think elements was just as confused as i was.

I scumlean Norwee because of his inorganic tone shift from analytical to no-fucks-given in early game when it became apparent that this game features a fine roster of shitposters.

thanks, that compliment means a lot. ive practiced shitposting many years to get to this level.

[Green Crayons]

In addition to the points Alisae made against Norwegian,

Shot:

VOTE: Cycle men because Norweescum is likely to reveal all of his teammates and write me poetry

It don’t come so cheap no more. Besides. It’s not like that worked out so well in Fusion mafia. Pocket attempts on you are out of the picture from now on. I know it’s sad for you, but after all... you can only blame yourself. If you had been obediently pocketed i’d let you live on in that sweet sweet blissfull ignorance.

Come on I let you live for like 4 extra dayphases I think that was pretty good repayment

Actually, you were one of the main reasons i was close to having a mental breakdown. All those times you unnecesarilly placed an extra vote on me made me want to break out in tears and confess that i’d been a very bad scum player and deserved punishment.

Chaser:

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

VOTE: Green Crayons

Good vote Isis.

[votato]

theres a lot of time elapsed between 178 and 229 though. odd that norweigan was so active and now theres questions being asked and poof though.

i guess im ok with either a norway or elements wagon, but i feel like there isnt enough content from elements yet. either way i prefer a fb wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Rare case I'll do an ISO because it's so short

I believe Elements was confused as I was that Isis was serious in her proposition.

#22
I can see scum, thinking that the proposition was serious, joining in early like this to get free towncred. Note that he said "I like this plan" even though it's flawed (if you take it seriously). There was no indication that he thought it was a joke.

Elements' reads are TMI and opportunistic.
#80
It's weird to scumread someone for an obvious joke (i get the irony)
so it's either scum!Elements TMI-ing scum!votato or scum!Elements looking for a low hanging fruit

#230
it's weird to flatly say that cycle man is a valid lynch option without trying to get a read on him first. (yes i also get the irony, but in my defense, i just wasn't convinced of votato's POV in early early D1)

Elements' townreads are also opportunistic.
#81[/quote] on alisae
#230 again on me, monkey
this strikes me as a pocket attempts.

#82
these reads, with nothing to base it on, strike me as TMI. and i dont really buy his justification. even if it's true, it doesn't explain his firebringer read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

because of how she attacked the Deimos wagon.

can you explain it to me?

[votato]

human does that post imply that you now townread me? if so, can you walk me through your thought process as it changed?

[humaneatingmonkey]

no i can see you as town or scum and i have not decided yet

[Elements]

I believe Elements was confused as I was that Isis was serious in her proposition.

What gives you that impression?

[humaneatingmonkey]

am i wrong?

[Green Crayons]

because of how she attacked the Deimos wagon.

can you explain it to me?

Two people separately voiced the same type of suspicion of Deimos (FB first, then I looked at it and agreed. ABR and votato are sheep votes, but presumably ABR also agreed though that's reading between lines.)

Isis attacked the reasoning of flimsy and bad (we had a minor row over it), all

before

Deimos responded. (Speaking of, still waiting for Godot.)

It's good reasoning, if not airtight because hello this is mafia. But regardless, Isis made a point of making clear that she doesn't like the reasoning and in fact said that if Deimos flips scum I've gotta be bussing scum if Deimos flips red because the reasoning is just so bad.

To me, scum would not likely hard defend their partner, especially on D1, by attacking reasoning that leads to a good result (dead scum) before their scum partner even says anything. Because once Deimos flips, and if he flips red, then she's looking pretty bad by protecting her scumbuddy; and Isis strikes me as a more careful player than that.

Conversely, were Deimos to flip green, Isis's preemptive attack on the reasoning underlying the first real wagon in this game (alas, against town) nets her town cred.

[Green Crayons]

by attacking reasoning that leads to a good result (dead scum) before their scum partner even says anything

I'm not saying scum wouldn't do this. But on D1? When she has no idea how well he's going to defend himself personally? When there's daytalk so she can help him out if she wants to feed him a good defense?

I just don't see it.

[Green Crayons]

in fact said that if Deimos flips scum I've gotta be bussing scum

FWIW I think this is a good mafia posture who knows their scumbuddy is going to get killed (it sent up red flags at the time), but Isis-scum pulling that move at this stage of the 4/7 vote tally seems premature.

THOUGH, if you want to get paranoid about it, if Norweig and Isis are scum, they could have been daytalking together mistakenly thinking Deimos was L-1.

[Green Crayons]

@Isis:

can you please confirm whether you thought Deimos was at L-1 and, if so, it's because that's what you and Norweig decided in the scumchat?

[Green Crayons]

Rare case I'll do an ISO

What does TMI stand for? That he's scum giving Too Much Information?

[Green Crayons]

I think those are some good points, except I don't think #80 is AI mainly because I used it as a reason to suspect votato too.

[votato]

Rare case I'll do an ISO

What does TMI stand for? That he's scum giving Too Much Information?

that he has too much information because hes scum, so he gives slips as a result.

"TMI (“too much information”) is the burden all wolves are by definition saddled with. They know who all their partners are, and consequently they know who all the villagers are. That means that every single “I think…”, every single “could probably be…”, every single “lean”, is in fact a lie. They don’t think, they know. They aren’t guessing. Their “village lean” on you isn’t an organic thought they had, it’s something they fabricated from a second-order hypothetical “here’s what I think I would think as a villager” headspace. TMI is the basis for most solid reads. (Things like VCA and meta are admittedly powerful tools, but outside the scope of this article.)"https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Newcomb%29

[Green Crayons]

No order. Also for whatever reason I have (votato OR Elements) in my head as scum, but I think that's only because my suspicions of them rose/fell in converse.

Town

- humaneatingmonkey
- Alisae
- Green Crayons
- Isis

Scum

- votato
- Deimos27
- Elements
- NorwegianboyEE

Null

- Cycle Men
- Albert B. Rampage
- Looker
- Firebringer

[votato]

No order. Also for whatever reason I have (votato OR Elements) in my head as scum, but I think that's only because my suspicions of them rose/fell in converse.

Town

- humaneatingmonkey
- Alisae
- Green Crayons
- Isis

Scum

- votato
- Deimos27
- Elements
- NorwegianboyEE

Null

- Cycle Men
- Albert B. Rampage
- Looker
- Firebringer

why is alisae town?