Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.16

Target	Wagon
Cycle Men (4)	NorwegianboyEE (155), Deimos27 (588), Alisae (612), Isis (614)
Deimos27 (3)	Firebringer (390), Albert B. Rampage (391), Green Crayons (404)
votato (2)	humaneatingmonkey (105), Elements (230)
Firebringer (2)	Cycle Men (152), votato (548)
NorwegianboyEE (1)	Looker (456)
Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).

[Isis]

619 is probably scum indicative
But I feel sad for Ali and want em to enjoy mafia

what why

I don't know if scum indicative is the right word. It's just kind of a dampening multiplier of how much we can read into you not being aggressive or having much this game since if your motivation is low in general the delta between your scum and town enthusiasm will decrease.

[Alisae]

my enthusiasm towards mafia in general has been low

i've been saying this the whole game no?

[Alisae]

you have 1 guy (looker) saying i was agro as scum
and another guy (norwee) saying i was agro as town
both are right

it means its just not alignment indicative

so why are you saying its scum indicative here

[Isis]

Norwee is wrong, Looker is right. It's alignment indicative

It matches your general paradigm for mafia for it to trend that way. That doesn't mean there won't be some exceptions

Not going to indulge your fantasy of having more control over your tendencies than you actually do, sorry not sorry

[votato]

Norwee is wrong, Looker is right. It's alignment indicative

It matches your general paradigm for mafia for it to trend that way. That doesn't mean there won't be some exceptions

Not going to indulge your fantasy of having more control over your tendencies than you actually do, sorry not sorry

will you indulge my fantasies?

[Alisae]

VOTE: isis

[Isis]

Norwee is wrong, Looker is right. It's alignment indicative

It matches your general paradigm for mafia for it to trend that way. That doesn't mean there won't be some exceptions

Not going to indulge your fantasy of having more control over your tendencies than you actually do, sorry not sorry

will you indulge my fantasies?

Maybe, what are you fantasizing about?

[Alisae]

like
ur saying im scum for not being aggressive

[Isis]

You are town for not being aggressive, not sure how you got there.

Being demotivated in general decreases how far off null that gets you

[Alisae]

Which mini?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82360
^This one.
Fair warning that it's 183 pages long and Alisae posted a ton of those posts.

I feel like it might be safe to say that as of recently I’ve been playing a bit more passively in general because I just don’t care about playing mafia as much atm

619 is probably scum indicative
But I feel sad for Ali and want em to enjoy mafia

[Isis]

I think it was admittedly unclear but I clarified later

[votato]

Norwee is wrong, Looker is right. It's alignment indicative

It matches your general paradigm for mafia for it to trend that way. That doesn't mean there won't be some exceptions

Not going to indulge your fantasy of having more control over your tendencies than you actually do, sorry not sorry

will you indulge my fantasies?

Maybe, what are you fantasizing about?

im still fixated on your role pm

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: isis

Come on. Don't be that way.

[Isis]

Imagine if it had cursive font votato

and a narwhal gif

[Green Crayons]

Because I read this as a very unnatural defense. Instead of thinking critically about the arguments offered he vaguely states that the perspective is "narrow" and "forced" and needs to be "rethought", without elaborating or expressing any other care for whether I'm lynched. It comes off as scum wanting towncred in case of Deimos mislynch but not actually wanting to prevent a Deimos mislynch. His tr of me in 309 combined with his unwillingness to respond to my 334 gives me a similar sense of lacking paranoia about my alignment.

hth I really dig this

I have two other concerns as well.
Firstly, I read his tone shift from initial indifference to sudden frustration/defensiveness in 215 as rather faux, unless he has some explanation to offer as to why he's suddenly getting frustrated when that's not his predisposition earlier on (e.g. against Norwegian's vote in 155).
Secondly, I think his confidence in calling Crayons town is inconsistent with his prior beliefs that early reads are all pretense and uncertain, especially since his read of Crayons can basically be summarized as a toneread (he has an "aura", 326). Which leads me to think that read is also probably fabricated.

I'm ambivalent about this.

Yes, there's a possible world where this is town!Cycle Men who somehow felt so pressured that they ended up inadvertently faking their reads. There is a world where this is town!Cycle Men who has zero trust in my scumplay. There is a world where this is town!Cycle Men and some issues irl meant that they were in more capricious a mood than usual and got frustrated.

But I think each of those cases are less likely than their respective denials.

And I don't get this at all.

[Green Crayons]

I think it was admittedly unclear but I clarified later

but, lol:

619 is probably scum indicative

You are town for not being aggressive, not sure how you got there.

by unclear do you mean you wrote "scum indicative" when you meant "town indicative"?

[Green Crayons]

Why are you voting cycle men, Isis? i didn't see it in your ISO, which is how i felt compelled to quote those posts.

[Isis]

Learning the context that Ali is generally demotivated, like, already was before the game started, decreases how town-indicative it is that e is playing passively, although it is still town-indicative that e is playing passively.

That's a delta in the red direction so I said "scum indicative" but it's confusing.

[Isis]

Everyone else is town. Except Norwee who I am going to torture. And some people who are hard to figure out.

I don't think Clemency ever plays mafia in a readable way so it makes plenty of sense to advance to playing the 11p it kind of already will be.

[Green Crayons]

Fair enough!

[Alisae]

hey just so you guys know, i'm ignoring questions on purpose. the reason? i'm truly lazy to comb through this thread to reply to questions peppered all-over. so if you guys have questions you need an answer for, just re-ask it.

This is the post that I think is a townslip

This has been a fast moving game with lots of people asking eachother questions, but I'm pretty sure at the time of this post there were no outstanding questions for monkey

scum remember questions posed to them better than town, in my experience, although they respond at about the same rate after scum deliberately ignore questions somewhat more often. I think scum monkey would be cognizant that he has no outstanding questions to address and just couldn't really formulate this post. Like even if a scum monkey can't remember exactly what answers he owed, I think he would remember the quantity correctly.
Whether he adopts a policy of insisting others repeat themselves or puts in the work to ctrl f for hem and monkey is not very alignment indicative. This is an informational thing.

Since I am not monkey there's a large chance someone did ask him something after all which zeroes this whole thing out but otherwise this is something I'm gonna put a bunch of stock in

[Alisae]

oh wait
that was hem not norwee
lmao

VOTE: norwee

[Alisae]

i must have been seriously stoned when i saw that post then

[humaneatingmonkey]

good morning