SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Nero Cain]

Do you honestly think my voice has any value here when it clearly does not?

I mean, your "voice value" is mainly theoretical. But you are determined to extinguish it and I don't really care that much. We might have just lynched a lurker (and we still might) but you are convinced that you are better than a lurker lynch so who am I to argue? After all you said you were a great scum hunter so I'm sheepin u.

[Quick]

Im null on faside now btw.

I liked farsides questioning early but farside thinks its hollow.

Nero thinks im legit scumhunting more than farside.

farside doesnt agree and is pushing me as scum.

Interesting take as you admit farside isn't scum hunting.

farside them self said it was hollow what am I supposed to think of that lol.

What was hollow? That they are not scum hunting or something else?

This was never answered fwiw.

Dave pointed it out but the wagon never went anywhere.

[Quick]

something feels kinda weird about tchill questioning me about the difference between me thinking he was scum hunting and farside was asking hollow q's.

not a whole lot changed for me about Vecna, I said I was still not town reading him though the current Vecna seems more like the Vecna I've played with in the past.

Nero, what is your read on Tchill atm?

[Covid 19]

Day 1 VC #41

Creature (1): Tchill13 (1538)
Auro (0):
Hoctac (1): Elements (730)
5G Tower (0):
Jake the Wolfie (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Quick (1): 50 Judge Powers (1623)
Vecna (2): Alchemist21 (124), Voted (802)
Voted (0):
Alchemist21 (1): farside22 (1345)
Elements (0):
Flavor Leaf (1): Saudade (1340)
farside22 (0):
EspeciallyTheLies (4): mastina (397), Hoctac (1262), EspeciallyTheLies (1645), Nero Cain (1710)
50 Judge Powers (2): Vecna (1431), Auro (1543)
mastina (1): davesaz (1745)
Miss Lynch (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Tchill13 (1): Quick (1824)
Saudade (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (6): Creature, 5G Tower, Jake the Wolfie, Aristophanes, Flavor Leaf (449), Miss Lynch (489)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

This phase will end on May 19, 2020 1:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2020-05-19 13:00:00).

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[Nero Cain]

Nero, what is your read on Tchill atm?

im indiffrent

[davesaz]

Re 819 that Quick just pointed out, I thought there was a dangling antecedent in that post. In the sentence "farside thinks it's hollow" <it's> could refer to <farside's own questions> being hollow or it could refer to <Tchill's thinking the questions are fine> being hollow.

I did ask about farside's apparent lack of followup. She asserted that her questions had been answered, and I did find some evidence to back that up.
While I consider that topic answered I'm not sure I can remember what has come since.

[mastina]

Do not let mastina later claim that she was just “mistaken” after spending so many posts trying to convince people she’s such an authority on my gameplay.

I never did this and in fact stated the opposite:

so many choices! VOTE: mastina

I'd legit be interested to see you and me interact in a dead serious game and to hear your assessment of me, of whether I'm pretty much the same or if I've changed (presumably for the worse but who knows), and if so, how/in what ways.

Not gonna even pretend I'd have any gauge of ETL's meta years-later. Even if I did have perfect memory of how she played (and I most decidedly do not), the years of absence probably did change said meta anyway.

[mastina]

A case based on "without actually doing" is easily disproven by examples of her doing. What's up with the house of cards approach? And why push it on someone who evidently takes it badly?

I recognize you are saying words here that you presumably want a response to but I have no comprehension of these words.

when you reply to later stuff it makes it appear as though your cursor is beyond the question.

I don't reply to later stuff? In a single post, I can, and do, arrange the order of quotes, so a later quote might be done earlier in the post if it makes more sense for that later quote to be listed first--but when I do this, it was still typed

after

.

To put it another way. Say I quoted whatever 1817 is, but I put it above these quotes for 1816. I'd still be typing this section first, and then the section for 1817 second, it's just that I'd have chosen to put the quote for 1817 first and responded to it first because in this hypothetical case, I decided it made more sense to list 1817 first and then 1816 second.

This is pretty apparent when you track posts from me over time; later quotes come, well...later.

This is not

always

the case, but it's

often

the case. I think it was in team mafia that I explained my catchup method most clearly and it is apt to here:

Mastina

How aware are you of this recurring thing where you do your catch up and you agree with posts I made earlier looking at stuff you want to look at

Somewhat. Not gonna lie: they enabled viewing this forum offline and I have taken liberal advantage of this feature. So I am no longer always blindly posting.

However, sometimes I still am blindly posting and sometimes I am half-blind in that I'll have read PART of the thread, seen something that I wanted to post about, and then posted about it without having read the contents past the post which made me log in in the first place.

Yet more times, I read it all, but I forgot about the later posts until I reread them, having forgotten that they were made even though I read them.

So quite often, I'm not aware, due to one of the above. Me not having read anything; me having read only some things and not everything; me having read everything but having forgotten about the later stuff.

But there are times when I am aware.

I can tell you that in my above series of posting, it was a mixture of the latter two:
This morning, I read everything in the thread at the time, and at home whilst having the capacity to snip quotes, commented on the relevant section of hito's post.

I continued to read the thread after that, and left for work.
At work, I remembered that there was a post that I could comment on, on my phone. I didn't remember the other posts in the thread and even if I had, the conversation had more posts made between when I last read and when I logged in on my phone, and all of those posts, I couldn't have read, so they were posts I had no knowledge of until I quoted them.

So, some of what you've said, yes, I've known about before chiming in with my own version; most, I have not. Including what you said on this page.

Basically, by and large, a post after what I am responding to, doesn't exist--it

can

have been read, but most likely hasn't been read, as a general rule of thumb.

[mastina]

(In the case of today's content--yesterday I did read a little without logging in, because I saw how many pages there were to catch up on and realized with how tired I was, I couldn't pull it off back then. So, some of Thursday's content, I had read. All of Friday's content, I did not, because the first thing I did today was log in and come straight to this game. I even skipped breakfast because, again, I knew prod timers were 36 hours and was

hoping

to outrace, to beat, the prod timer but was a tad bit too slow on the uptake. If you were to ask me how much of Thursday's content I had read yesterday, though, the answer is simply: I don't remember/know because I have poor retention of that sort of thing.)

[50 Judge Powers]

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION!

What do you want to know about shagging? I claim to be an expert in that department.

~AP

[50 Judge Powers]

Quick, A50, can you please put your votes back on me now?

1- Not yet ready to end the day
2- Not as sure you are scum anymore
3- This could be a trick if you are scum. Like, I dunno how far Ircher would go with his "bastardness" but if it was me, FL or Varsoon you might expect a scum role that does something harmful to Town if flipped early, I don't think Ircher is that type of mod though, so let's stick with the first 2 reasons.

[50 Judge Powers]

We are going to get at least ONE THING accomplished today.

And what exactly are we accomplishing IF you are Town?

[Nero Cain]

I claim to be an expert in that department.

you aren't an expert. you just CLAIM to be?

[50 Judge Powers]

VOTE: mastina

No. There are far more people you can point to that have had a committed opinion of me to make lynching me more beneficial than lynching mastina.

With you campaigning for your own lynch I don't think scum will bother be on you. If you are indeed a townie then 0-1 scum will be voting you if the lynch goes through.

I mean, I dunno anymore. Should I just assume you know what you're doing and that there is actually a plan here?

[davesaz]

I was mistaken about there being replies to later posts.

A case based on "without actually doing" is easily disproven by examples of her doing. What's up with the house of cards approach? And why push it on someone who evidently takes it badly?

I recognize you are saying words here that you presumably want a response to but I have no comprehension of these words.

The original sentence from you is missing. I copy/pasted it as follows:

In post 1694, mastina wrote:
ETL's content this game has looked town without actually doing anything town.

You are asserting ETL hasn't actually done anything town.
This can easily be disproven by examples of things she is doing that are obviously town.
What's up with the house of cards approach? Why are you trying to make a case that is patently false?
I thought it was possible it was because you perceived her actions as reactive and had a bias against that.

If your case is something different than that, then please enlighten us.

[50 Judge Powers]

a) A Doctor who gives out a vaccine
b) A Doctor who cures the infected and once cured you can no longer get infected again

There should be multiple of this sort of role, actually, not just one. If there were only one, we'd be fucked if they died early-on by being too town/high profile/much of a threat/etc. especially if infected.

I'd expect there to be, like. Five, eight, thereabouts, such roles and similar. Probably not half of the town having such roles, but enough of the town having them that the scum would need to work really hard and be really precise to eliminate them all.

If you read my post in full I did mention a Nurse is a possibility. I'd say if this game was intended to be slightly townsided (to compensate for town stupidity nowadays) there should be one of each + a backup or two (either a backup for each or one "Universal Nurse", so to speak).

But if I was designing the game I would only have one Doctor (either or) plus one backup. The cure doesn't affect those who are not infected and the vaccine doesn't work on those who are already infected, granted, but still too much townpower for scum to overcome if there is/are backups and too swingy if there are not.

[50 Judge Powers]

Do not let mastina later claim that she was just “mistaken” after spending so many posts trying to convince people she’s such an authority on my gameplay.

I hate to disappoint you, but I've seen it first hand and I know mastina can be like that as town too. I am not yet picking the "scum vibes" from her play.

Disclaimer: Not a defense of mastina. Just saying that I do not SR her right now.

[50 Judge Powers]

I claim to be an expert in that department.

you aren't an expert. you just CLAIM to be?

It's a mod-confirmed claim though.

@Mod: Please confirm me as such.

[Tchill13]

It may sound arrogant but I have a probable track record of being a great scum hunter.

Yeah, exactly.
And you're not showing it.
You're complaining instead of scumhunting.

Complaining about various stuff in a "woe is me" manner, instead of doing that great scumhunting.

The majority of your posts are not pushing players; the majority of your posts are AtE.
You're not giving reasons for the majority of your reads and the few reasons you have given are largely shallow, surface-level thoughts that have no real depth to them. You're not following through on those thoughts; you're not pushing your reads; you're instead complaining and blaming everyone around you for this.

Which is why I say--if you're town, that's a total failure on your part, where you have every power in the world to have pushed more and done more, but are choosing to blame everyone else, choosing to say it's the fault of the rest of the town rather than your own doing.

But if you're scum, there's no failure at all, because that play is precisely the optimal scum play to make, especially in a game of this nature.

You're doing things that are optimal for scum but are, for a town player, an objective failure of an approach.

The respect I have in your capabilities as a player, the respect I have in your competency,

demands

that in an assessment of your play, balance of probability, that the play that is self-explanatory as scum but which makes no sense as town, is just you as scum.

im starting to think mastina vs ETL is getting spicy.

[Tchill13]

ETL wagon is GROSS.

PEdit: Hocatc is GROSS. jk lol.

but seriously i disagee with the ETL pushes.

Tchill and me are now masons for this game. Well, at least for D1

if we just stay 6 ft from one another we're masons the entire game.

Especially since im 2 shot infect proof via my mask (im joking)

[Tchill13]

I dunno, that self vote is kinda

ate

y and just makes me wanna kill it.

I’m fine with that. I’d like to know what your plan is when I flip town. Who will you be looking at?

these ppl that claim ETL is playing a terrible scum game...

I dont see scum motivation in what she's doing. Its too poor a scum game for someone to be scum. Especially when I see high praise from mastina given to ETL.

If anything im more weary of mastina now.

[Quick]

Oh right, youre in the MU infamous list of mislynches

Hey, what do people think of this post? Is it Creature rubbing it in my face that I cant lynch him here or what?

[Quick]

I dunno, that self vote is kinda

ate

y and just makes me wanna kill it.

I’m fine with that. I’d like to know what your plan is when I flip town. Who will you be looking at?

these ppl that claim ETL is playing a terrible scum game...

I dont see scum motivation in what she's doing. Its too poor a scum game for someone to be scum. Especially when I see high praise from mastina given to ETL.

If anything im more weary of mastina now.

Okay. Do you think it is really that simple? Asking for a friend.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: mastina

dave is killing it as far as mind melding with me goes.

Vecna
dave
Mislynch

are my strongest TR's by a mile.

ETL would be put in there with the exception that i've seen easy aggro players fake this type of thing as scum b4. I believe shes town but not on the lvl of the other 3.

[Tchill13]

Do you think it is really that simple? Asking for a friend.

yes. Im consistently most correct about my "too bad to be scum" and "So narcissistic they have to be town" reads.

ETL has fallen into both categories (in the most respectful way possible)