Micro 940: A Normal Blitz II - Game Over

[Micc]

Datisi has been killed Night 2. He was a

Town Mason

.

It is now Day 3.

Votecount 3.00

Not Voting (5) -

shiki, HoldenGolden, humaneatingmonkey, clidd, Umlaut

With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2020-05-25 11:20:00).

[Micc]

I will have limited access to the site until Monday, 5/25. PenguinPower has graciously agreed to backup mod during that time. He has authority to do any moderating actions necessary to keep the game moving during my absence. Please include us both on any private communication. I'll still be available for most of today, so feel free to send me a message with any questions or concerns.

[Umlaut]

Obligatory "it's LyLo, be careful" message

That said,

pseudovote HEM

because I think if it's not Hiraki it has to be him.

[clidd]

~Reading soon~

[clidd]

One question: who is neighbor with Hoctac ?

[clidd]

my gut reaction when i saw hectic die was that the neighbors were both town because i'd lowkey expect someone else to get shot if one of them is scum (like i thought my reactions were plainly obvious if you knew they weren't masons) but holden disagrees with me so idk anymore

pedit: fine with massclaim, sure

I agree with that and I can see it happening.

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[clidd]

Ok, Umlaut is the neighbor.

[clidd]

Shiki seems naked scum in my opinion, but I will investigate the possibilities further when I get home.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.

[shiki]

~Reading soon~

One question: who is neighbor with Hoctac ?

if you were not following the game how were you waiting in the wings to join it without it ever going to the replacement queue?

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred:

this game has been referenced a couple times. is there any reason to believe that 4 vanilla town 2 masons 1 town neighbour 1 mafia neighbour and 1 mafia goon is not a possible setup? i have not looked through every game in the micro queue to see if it has been played before (as unlike the normal queue there isn't really a searchable version) but that seems more likely to me than this game utilizing the same setup as boon gets pretentious.

Shiki seems naked scum in my opinion, but I will investigate the possibilities further when I get home.

this does not track to me. if you believe that we are playing the pretentious setup and that i am scum, why would i have killed a mason claim i thought was a neighbour instead of killing datisi, who basically claimed power role in this game the same way he did in chain of command:

I was pretty certain my reaction was gonna be a blatant Commander claim to scum but meh.

i think your reaction to quantumquasar was a pretty strong giveaway.

Which reaction in particular do you mean?

you being frustrated with his openly roleplaying chain of command.

[clidd]

I'm back.

[clidd]

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if you were not following the game how were you waiting in the wings to join it without it ever going to the replacement queue?

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this game has been referenced a couple times. is there any reason to believe that 4 vanilla town 2 masons 1 town neighbour 1 mafia neighbour and 1 mafia goon is not a possible setup? i have not looked through every game in the micro queue to see if it has been played before (as unlike the normal queue there isn't really a searchable version) but that seems more likely to me than this game utilizing the same setup as boon gets pretentious.

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this does not track to me. if you believe that we are playing the pretentious setup and that i am scum, why would i have killed a mason claim i thought was a neighbour instead of killing datisi, who basically claimed power role in this game the same way he did in chain of command:

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Spoiler:

~Reading soon~

One question: who is neighbor with Hoctac ?

if you were not following the game how were you waiting in the wings to join it without it ever going to the replacement queue?

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred:

this game has been referenced a couple times. is there any reason to believe that 4 vanilla town 2 masons 1 town neighbour 1 mafia neighbour and 1 mafia goon is not a possible setup? i have not looked through every game in the micro queue to see if it has been played before (as unlike the normal queue there isn't really a searchable version) but that seems more likely to me than this game utilizing the same setup as boon gets pretentious.

Shiki seems naked scum in my opinion, but I will investigate the possibilities further when I get home.

this does not track to me. if you believe that we are playing the pretentious setup and that i am scum, why would i have killed a mason claim i thought was a neighbour instead of killing datisi, who basically claimed power role in this game the same way he did in chain of command:

I was pretty certain my reaction was gonna be a blatant Commander claim to scum but meh.

i think your reaction to quantumquasar was a pretty strong giveaway.

Which reaction in particular do you mean?

you being frustrated with his openly roleplaying chain of command.

1- I was invited to join the game.

2- Who mentioned it besides me ?

3- There are many strategies that involve reverse psychology to benefit the scum alignment in the articulation of reasons to justify themselves as town. It does not matter to me if you have benefited from the NK or not, because my impression of you is individual, regardless of the mechanics of the setup. I still haven't decided that Umlaut is town, as I intend to evaluate his slot separately, but I just emphasized that it would be possible for a mason and a hood to coexist in the same game (and he being town).

4- What is your current solve ?

[clidd]

I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.

Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (which has already stolen 2 wins from him), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?

[clidd]

Rather, as posts like this suggest, Hiraki had no intentions to try and fight for a HEM lynch.

Really? Or was it that everyone dismissed what I was saying and even I get tired?

What I was saying was I thought you were more gungho during that interaction about lynching HEM which upon rereading you were not. You post quoted above is an example of you throughout the interaction voicing (and later actually) voting george.

Comparing the two scums games from Monkey in which you participated and witnessed Scum!Monkey playing, is he town or scum to you here ?

[shiki]

2- Who mentioned it besides me ?

madoka and hoctac referenced it. and i referenced hoctac referencing it.

4- What is your current solve ?

i think {umlaut, clidd} is most likely.

Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (which has already stolen 2 wins from him), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?

? holdengolden is the other mason.

[clidd]

If holden is mason, and Holden + Monkey aren't SvS, I am inclined to think that they are TvT if there was no significant push to lynch each other on D1 ~ D2, what makes the game's solution theoretically being

Shiki + Umlaut

and the speculation about coexistence between hood and mason wrong.

If you're town Shiki, however, the solve is basically Monkey + Umlaut. But the solution above is more plausible ^

[HoldenGolden]

Datisi has been killed Night 2. He was a

Town Mason

.

It is now Day 3.

Votecount 3.00

Not Voting (5) -

shiki, HoldenGolden, humaneatingmonkey, clidd, Umlaut

With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2020-05-25 11:20:00).

Hmm, I sense a disturbance in the night kill logic.

Why was Datisi killed over me despite him voicing a level of inability to get into this game?

[HoldenGolden]

If holden is mason, and Holden + Monkey aren't SvS, I am inclined to think that they are TvT if there was no significant push to lynch each other on D1 ~ D2, what makes the game's solution theoretically being

Shiki + Umlaut

and the speculation about coexistence between hood and mason wrong.

If you're town Shiki, however, the solve is basically Monkey + Umlaut. But the solution above is more plausible ^

I already given a commentary on "meta" for HEM day 1, but I dont know his town meta first hand.

Why do you think us not trying to lynch eachother points to a TvT interaction? Especially since HEM made it clear day 1 he wasnt buddying me?

[HoldenGolden]

I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.

Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (

which has already stolen 2 wins from him

), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?

A new layer to your posts as well. That intrigues me. Why interject an emotionally producing phrase into your line of questioning to monkey?

He never has taken two games from me? He only won against me in the newbie.

[clidd]

If holden is mason, and Holden + Monkey aren't SvS, I am inclined to think that they are TvT if there was no significant push to lynch each other on D1 ~ D2, what makes the game's solution theoretically being

Shiki + Umlaut

and the speculation about coexistence between hood and mason wrong.

If you're town Shiki, however, the solve is basically Monkey + Umlaut. But the solution above is more plausible ^

I already given a commentary on "meta" for HEM day 1, but I dont know his town meta first hand.

Why do you think us not trying to lynch eachother points to a TvT interaction? Especially since HEM made it clear day 1 he wasnt buddying me?

I figured you two could be SvS for the lack of an expressive push that threatened Monkey to be lynched by you, but if you're not scum, the assumption I'm working on at the moment is that you're both TVT.

[clidd]

I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.

Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (

which has already stolen 2 wins from him

), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?

A new layer to your posts as well. That intrigues me. Why interject an emotionally producing phrase into your line of questioning to monkey?

He never has taken two games from me? He only won against me in the newbie.

To see how he reacts, obviously.

[clidd]

Holden, summarize your reads on Shiki, it doesn't have to be something big. If you're mechanically town, I think we can work together to solve this.

[clidd]

Actually, it is easier to know Monkey's alignment by PoE if we know how to classify Umlaut/Shiki first.

[clidd]

Unless you think my slot is scum. In this case, I will be available to answer any questions.

[HoldenGolden]

I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.

Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (

which has already stolen 2 wins from him

), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?

A new layer to your posts as well. That intrigues me. Why interject an emotionally producing phrase into your line of questioning to monkey?

He never has taken two games from me? He only won against me in the newbie.

To see how he reacts, obviously.

Expect the way you did it is leading.

You clearly did not know I was confirmed town given your posts at that time. The way you worded it to HEM suggests that I would be furious to lose against him again, which I wouldnt think much of until I factor in HEM earlier concerns of my accusatory tone. That coupled with your expression of me being extra paranoid of HEM doesnt make sense when considering your TvT stance. If I was paranoid and frustrated, shouldnt I be more critical of him.

This is of course your logic when considering a SvS interaction between me and HEM, which begs the obvious question, why ask to begin with? Why ask my supposed scum buddy to gain his reaction rather than pursuing the suspicion with other players? I doubt the scum reaction would of told you anything.

That, and I do not remember you using such language typically as well.



PS. I was scum reading your predecessor.