SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[OkaPoka]

It's a slip only if that's true, no?

yeah thats why its maybe a slip

probably won't know unless hectic stops trolling

[Quick]

slips are probably the worst kinds of info to talk about.. If it's a slip there

is

no question about it.

[OkaPoka]

all of scumhunting is looking for slips

[Quick]

all of scumhunting is looking for slips

Fuck that, no it isn't.

[Aristophanes]

TSE was a dumb counterwagon to Quick and/or Jake.

says the guy voting not Quick or Jake.

Imean, Jake is a bad lynch and the Quick wagon dissolved.

Plus, Hoctac doesn't seem to care and is pulling the same ATE Jake was now which just sucks.
I'd rather lynch Hoctac than Jake so if those are the options then so be it. Better than wasting my vote on a dead wagon.

[davesaz]

I'm leaning on people who are openly not scumhunting.
Hoctac is the current wagon but unfortunately it's a very target rich environment.

[Nero Cain]

I feel like there's a very obvious reason its not a slip, if Hotac is scum its not from that. Him not really defending himself you could write off as scum that doesn't really care to defend himself but @ the same time that's only going to make ppl want to kill u more so...

[Nero Cain]

I'm leaning on people who are openly not scumhunting.
Hoctac is the current wagon but unfortunately it's a very target-rich environment.

dunno what the first sentence is.
2nd is just

IIOA

y or something.

[Blair]

TSE was a dumb counterwagon to Quick and/or Jake.

If you really believe this, wouldn't it be more prudent for you to be voting for Quick and/or Jake?

TSE was a dumb counterwagon to Quick and/or Jake.

says the guy voting not Quick or Jake.

[Hoctac]

What kind of slip are people talking about? That the infected stat dying the next night?? IF that's it, I see no slip. Scum can only kill the infected on N2 because there were no infections at the start of N1 is how I got it. If that's not the slip, can someone please point me to it?

Almo is right here about the "slip"

[Nero Cain]

I think for it to be a "slip" you have to read

WAY

in. Like, its p likely that the infected (mastina?) is just gonna die tonight.

[Blair]

5c. Mafia/Infected Win Condition: Gain parity with the town.
6. Twice per game, mafia may kill any player that they choose. Aside from those two instances, mafia possess the ability to factionally infect a player and to kill an infected player each night.

I'm not convinced that the "slip" is even true. It sounds to me like killing infected players is

optional

for the mafia and, given their win condition, it seems like maybe they wouldn't even want to?

[Nahdia]

hence why it sounds like privileged information. particularly the bit about them dying at the beginning of the night. no idea what that's from.

[Nahdia]

oh i see what you're saying. it's just.... wrong.

huh. weird.

[Auro]

I'm not convinced that the "slip" is even true. It sounds to me like killing infected players is optional for the mafia and, given their win condition, it seems like maybe they wouldn't even want to?

There are multiple reasons they would want to, I would think.

For one, it's a guaranteed -0.5 on parity requirement with total town, given the fact that they can get cured later.

Infected will be pushing randomly and may fail to align with scum, so a bunch of infected people in thread may not allow a favorable outcome (since they can end up lynching each other as well and it feels better for scum to lynch town over infected).

There's also the fact that this mechanic allows an indirect threat to infected people. If you're infected and you play to town win-con anyway, scum can kill you and lock you as that alignment with no chance of a cure.

There could be roles that can be killed only upon infection.

[Auro]

I have to re-calibrate a lot of my reads. Oka, what do you think about Blair and Nahdia?

[OkaPoka]

idk

like i really don't know

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE was a dumb counterwagon to Quick and/or Jake.

If you really believe this, wouldn't it be more prudent for you to be voting for Quick and/or Jake?

TSE was a dumb counterwagon to Quick and/or Jake.

says the guy voting not Quick or Jake.

I’ll be honest.
I don’t think both you and Aristophanes are Town.
I also don’t think both Hoctac and Jake are Town.

[Quick]

Infected die start of the next night so we'd just be wasting our only ways of killing the original scum.

Quick, what does that even mean?

Maybe Hactoc wants to get lynched and this is bad for Town???

[mastina]

Also, where did mastina go and why did she ignore my question?

mastina has been paying attention to her dearest of dear friends (one of the only ones she has and which she is terrified above all other friends of losing) and trying to help them out for the last two days while suffering from absolutely soul-crushing debilitating crippling depression that has hindered her ability to do things while still trying to juggle...well, doing things. She decided that helping out her dearest of dear friends was more important than any game of mafia ever could be.

In spite of that, I am still trying to be here. I really really really don't want to be here right now--but I need to be here anyway. (The friend doesn't need attention at this very moment--but you can bet your ass that, yes, I would disappear again in a

heartbeat

if need be to give them attention again.)

[mastina]

Mastina prob

IS

infected. That whole "your going out of your way to scumread me and get me scum read" is just so whiney. She'd also make a ton of sense to be infected n1. Sorry, FL.

Sure, go ahead and believe that if you want in spite of me having laid out exactly what I would do when infected. Makes perfect sense for me to have not changed at all between D1 and D2 in spite of the alignment change and me having explicitly told you precisely what I'd do if I were infected.

[Blair]

Infected will be pushing randomly and may fail to align with scum, so a bunch of infected people in thread may not allow a favorable outcome (since they can end up lynching each other as well and it feels better for scum to lynch town over infected).

Do we actually know this to be the case?

The idea has been floated a few times by a few different people but I thought that was all setup speculation.

P-edit: I'm sorry to hear that, mastina. For the record, I wasn't complaining about your absence in general, but specifically that I'd asked you a question and then you had posted in the thread directly afterward without answering. I do not wish to give the impression that we are owed your undivided attention when you clearly have other issues on your mind.

[mastina]

Mastina prob

IS

infected. That whole "your going out of your way to scumread me and get me scum read" is just so whiney. She'd also make a ton of sense to be infected n1. Sorry, FL.

Sure, go ahead and believe that if you want in spite of me having laid out exactly what I would do when infected. Makes perfect sense for me to have not changed at all between D1 and D2 in spite of the alignment change and me having explicitly told you precisely what I'd do if I were infected.

For those too lazy to look:

As someone that normally finds Mastina scummy, I rather not lynch her today. OFC the inverse of that argument is that I don't want to have to worry about an infected Mastina (if I'm right that she's town) and lynching her would alleviate that.

Eh. If the scum infect me, it's their loss--literally. When I say there's a night and day difference between my towngame and my scumgame right now, that I fundamentally cannot get myself to put in more than the bare minimum,

I'm not joking

, so

there would be an immediate

stark

contrast in my behavior, where, sure, I'd still be posting once a day to avoid getting prodded, but my content would plummet off a cliff into nonexistence pretty much

.

Plus, scum infecting me would, presumably, be obvious when I'd flip as originally-town-that-was-infected, tantamount to the scum nightkilling me, soooo. If the scum want to spend what amounts to basically a factional nightkill on me, then who am I to complain? It means they saw me as a threat. That's an honor.

Also, her statements that she always makes that her scum game is oh so bad is not always actually the case.

I mean. Circa two years ago my scumplay was among the best of the best onsite, but I don't know what happened to it, a year and a half of having drawn almost exclusively town role PMs (I went over 20 games in a row without drawing scum!), and for whatever reason. I just. Haven't been able to play scum worth a damn this year. Give me a little time and I can give you some examples demonstrating the utter lack of ability to play that alignment. While, admittedly, many of these scumgames had extenuating circumstances which incentivized that lack of playing scum, not all of them had it and even ones which

shouldn't

have been that way, ones which I

should

have been able to play to my fullest at the level scumastina is known for.

Well.

I just.

Didn't

.

So.

My scumgame in 2020 is, yes, objectively--terrible, demonstrably so. I will admit. It having been objectively terrible in every single scumgame this year does not mean that I couldn't magically have a scumastina performance at the level I'm usually known for! It could happen! But it hasn't, multiple times, hasn't. Why, dunno. Just is.

Anyways, she is overwhelmingly more likely to be town here, but dont get too convinced on that fact without keeping that sharp eye.

I mean, cult game, so. I'm town today, but obviously I can't promise you that I'll

stay

town. (I mean. Scum's mistake if they infect me, but like. While it's obviously a mistake for scum to infect me. Scum aren't immune to making mistakes, so. Could happen in spite of how objectively terrible a move it'd be.) So like. Future days, keep an eye on what I am doing.

If I have a sudden inexplicable abrupt dropoff in contributions and activities, chances are

fairly

high that the cause is that I'm no longer town

.

Btw, infected should claim

I'm not infected yet!

That dropoff in activity hasn't happened yet. (Well. Not really happened. I am posting less than I would like, and I am still disappearing more often than would be ideal, contributing less than would be optimal. But, 1: I am still, very obviously,

trying

to keep up, and 2: there are some very big reasons for WHY I've had that dropoff so it's not sudden and not inexplicable.)

I'm still town and anyone targeting me to try and remove infection is wasting their action unless their action can cleanse an infection made on the same night (i.e. their infection cleanse resolves after the scum's infection action).

Same for Nero, same for Voted.

[Blair]

Mastina, are you accusing Nero of being scum?

If you are not, then what is the purpose of this exchange?

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina prob

IS

infected. That whole "your going out of your way to scumread me and get me scum read" is just so whiney.


She'd also make a ton of sense to be infected n1. Sorry, FL.

I feel this is what I said.

I’m Never Night 1 infected here.