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[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'll do whatever Fire does.

VOTE: Persivul

NoPowerOverMe, are you still going to do whatever Firebringer does? How is it that you know you can trust him?

[Farkran]

Usually there's a V/LA banner on the account name, so everyone would know by looking at his profile or any post from a different game

I liked the catchup though, i think the guy is town. I'm not particularly fond of my 1st impression scumreads atm, i still dislike drewsta and i might add firebringer to the list. I smell a powerwolf.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

BTW, I informed mod that I was VLA for 5.22 - 5.25 but it didn't get into the notes.

@mod, please confirm this in thread.

Someone already said you were V/LA during this time. Any idea who that might be or how they might know?

This post answers both your questions.

So, Looking at the mod's confirmation post, there's 1 player that hasn't confirmed yet.
Persivul is V/LA according to his profile so that could easily be the cause of him not posting. (Although an ego search turns out he's at least posting on his other games, V/LA supposed to end today so I hope we hear from him)
CD hasn't been on site for 2 days, could be the person that hasnt confirmed.
Looking at Blurry's site activity seems to be someone that posts once every blue moon.
Same with Drew.

Looks like we just got some people that just arent active in general. I don't think we can discern alignment from activity alone.

[Persivul]

Someone already said you were V/LA during this time. Any idea who that might be or how they might know?

I announced in another game and had my VLA banner up, so it wasn't secret knowledge. I would guess [redacted due to ongoing game restrictions].

[Quick]

Someone already said you were V/LA during this time. Any idea who that might be or how they might know?

I announced in another game and had my VLA banner up, so it wasn't secret knowledge. I would guess [redacted due to ongoing game restrictions].

Fair enough. That's not really the type of stuff I like to push anyways because it's almost always wrong.

[CooLDoG]

- Firebringer. There's really too much noise in his ISO, i'd like you to tone it down a bit and talk about actual content.

But Fire is also an easy lynch because he is so erratic. Not sure I scum read him. But I am not going to put in effort to prove that a person is town. Maybe on D3 when PoE can be used.

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Who's the town bloc?

angling for easy wagon to jump to?

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Who's the town bloc?

Too early to say...

actual truth.

I didn't read anything, and as far as I was concerned I townread drew, but let's get this party rolling baby!

VOTE: drew

L-1

We're going head first into a mislynch and I sure like it. Let me read drew wagon, if he doesn't get hammered by then and I am not convinced, I'll remove my vote. Just claim first is all please.

Did I miss the memo? Is overt scumminess now acceptable? I'd vote this but I don't know where the VC is.

IF you vote for mohab, I will gladly join that wagon. Yes, those posts are scummy.

I've seen scum and town freak out exactly in the manner shown. It's not AI.

agree. I kinda backed off on my scum read of you. because I can see town frustration, not scum frustration.

If the announced VCs are correct, you had a person at L-3 freak out , while another person is at L-1.

the people announcing L-? are trolling. Especially Mohab. he keeps making up someone is at L-1 or L-2 or some shit. It was kind of funny for awhile but got old fast.

Not to mention it is claim baiting.

There's no scum motive and there's no town motive. So concluding town based on just that, when you were in your previous post scumreading them Persivul...?

Scum doesn't post like this in my opinion.

@drew 679 is one of the reasons I dropped my vote from him. I don't think scum make posts not caring about the wagon. Especially on D1 in a frustrating game, town are more likely to call it quits because they are the majority and others are there to pick up the slack. IF HE ANSWERED YES, I would think he is scum who got caught trying to run a dumb wagon. If he said NO I would think he would be more likely to be town because his read is independent of me push the major wagon, which it actually is.
837 THis is where I think I fucked up the term actually because I had the anime avys confused. I don't think it is technically a chainsaw. Again, he is voting someone for having the same read as him, while being on a wagon with a person he scum reads.

Here's a thought to consider. MAYBE i'm just town? Did you ever entertain that notion Drew? No? That's why i'm still voting you. And probably will keep doing today.

But he is not doing that. He is giving reasons with those descriptions.

the emotions seemed real but its like:

from scum pov:
> frustrated at pace of game unable to keep up.

from town pov:
> frustrated with pace of game unable to keep up.

Its exactly the same.

Difference is that scum don't have to actually solve anything. Town does. Scum can get by on skimming, particularly in the first couple days. Town need to actually read for content, and therefore are much more likely to be frustrated by game pace.

ummm my experience begs to differ on that. Ive seen plenty of scum get frustrated with pacing.

Contra to what I previously said, I agree with this in general. However, there is the gut check element to how and why people would get frustrated. If you are using it to actively not post content, that's a problem.

From experience, is it better to read ISOs or reread the whole thread?

Because people are not quoting the post they are replying to, better to re-read the whole thread with an iso up of the couple of people you are interested in another tab. You need context for a lot of the posts.

BTW, I informed mod that I was VLA for 5.22 - 5.25 but it didn't get into the notes.

@mod, please confirm this in thread.

If this is true, then a lot of the lurker based charges on you are bunk. Make a good catch-up though.

[Persivul]

angling for easy wagon to jump to?

No, I'm suspicious of D1 self-proclaimed town blocs. Aren't you?

[Sakura Hana]

I like how Persivul felt the same as me thing about Mohab's reaction and explained it better, Persivul becomes a townread, also Drew goes back to leftovers.

[Sakura Hana]

Drew's wall wrt Nor, specially the part about where Nor attacks FB for his townread of me is a complete misrepresentation of events, this has been explained at length before, still calling it a chainsaw and when Norway explains it in detail to Drew he also misrepresents that.
IF there's people saying that Nor is chainsawing FB in that post, it's clearly not, unless you think attacking someone for townreading someone else is a chainsaw. And then adding aditional scum motive to the explanation so you can understand it, in the form of "WHY DO YOU NEED TO CLARIFY?"

I felt it odd that you now chose to clarify these posts. Like what you posted in the first place was somehow not what you meant. The other point is - we weren't dissecting what you meant, as that was clear. We were dissecting the intent behind it.

Like i dont get this, he made that post precisely because you were misreading his post (Same with CD, who, after a 2nd pass, he actually got it right then).

[Kerset]

Vote Count 1.07

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Drew-Sta (4):

NorwegianboyEE, Farkran, popopopopopopo, Porkens,

Porkens (3):

Firebringer, NoPowerOverMe, Fredrick A Campbell,

NorwegianboyEE (2):

Drew-Sta, Mohab500,

Farkran (2):

Quick, Sakura Hana,

Fredrick A Campbell (1):

CooLDoG,

CooLDoG (0):

Persivul (0):

Firebringer (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

NoPowerOverMe (0):

Mohab500 (0):

Quick (0):

popopopopopopo (0):

Not Voting

(1): Persivul,

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Spoiler: Votes since last votecount not reflected above

Drew-Sta:

Mohab500.

Porkens:

Sakura Hana.

NorwegianboyEE:

Porkens.

Mohab500:

Sakura Hana.

Fredrick A Campbell:

Sakura Hana.

Farkran:

Fredrick A Campbell.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-01 21:30:00).

Mod notes:

-

[Kerset]

BTW, I informed mod that I was VLA for 5.22 - 5.25 but it didn't get into the notes.

@mod, please confirm this in thread.

Yes, you were on V/LA

[NorwegianboyEE]

Persivul, what are your actual reads right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've got TR's on both of the leading wagons, but i scumread Drew-Sta more.

[Sakura Hana]

I've got TR's on both of the leading wagons, but i scumread Drew-Sta more.

?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Sakura
Was saying that i think Drew-Sta is scummier than Porkens so i'm keeping my vote there.

[Sakura Hana]

But you TR both?

[Firebringer]

i think he was saying he had townreads who were on both wagons

[Porkens]

@Sakura
Was saying that i think Drew-Sta is scummier than Porkens so i'm keeping my vote there.

Even though you TR him?

[Porkens]

i think he was saying he had townreads who were on both wagons

Ohhhhhhh

[Sakura Hana]

i think he was saying he had townreads who were on both wagons

Ohhh ok.

[Quick]

How exactly do you squeeze a TR out of Fark here?

[Sakura Hana]

At this point im not sure if Drew-sta is misrepresenting things on purpose or just flat out stubborn, which actually means i made a mistake in my previous assesment of what made me townread him.

[Quick]

At this point im not sure if Drew-sta is misrepresenting things on purpose or just flat out stubborn, which actually means i made a mistake in my previous assesment of what made me townread him.

Yeah, you might want to look at how Drew entered the thread to see how he would play as a whole. I get no Scum vibes from him - his narrative has been pretty damn consistent all things considered. He is WAY down the list of people who I would like to see pressure on rn.

[Sakura Hana]

Well his "consistent narrative" has been him saying that Norway chainsaw FB, when FB was townreading me.

[Porkens]

At this point im not sure if Drew-sta is misrepresenting things on purpose or just flat out stubborn, which actually means i made a mistake in my previous assesment of what made me townread him.

Yeah, you might want to look at how Drew entered the thread to see how he would play as a whole. I get no Scum vibes from him - his narrative has been pretty damn consistent all things considered. He is WAY down the list of people who I would like to see pressure on rn.

Quick, drewsta, Mohab?