lange nonal 227 OHHH!!!! OHHH!!!!! ITS OVER OHHHHHH!!!! OHHH

[Albert B. Rampage]

Gobble thought it was me/midway. Meh

[popopopopopopo]

yea i dont think he was killed for his elite scumhunting lol

[word321]

And i didn't know i was a headache.

ow
its a headache induced by being better than me in a lot of aspects of mafia, and the constant readjustments i must make on otherwise towny things based on that to understand the game
it should be taken as a compliment!

[word321]

His 871 Ive found kind of pointless, buts that not exactly indicative (unless Nahdia flips green, but even then, its still too few). I cant rly develop this further.

Pointless?

VOTE: word

theres too few to develop on, as in ur slot
and with pointless, i meant im pretty sure we rnt allowed to quote pms (or any sensible info, etc), and i dnt know how strict it is regarding translitations
even if it wasnt the case, the fact we cant directly quote can induce instead paraphgrases (i dnt rly know if this is the correct word in english, its what google said)
so it wasnt a point in that regard (only in an hypothesis of adding fuel to the fire, wich clearly was not the case)
didnt mean to insult anyone

[word321]

actually, it effectively was the case she was a voyeur, so it rly ended up being the case (only for the wrong side)

[word321]

Albert
votato, word321
aloratom, popo
stan1ey, Nahdia*
norwee, midway, gobble
Madonna, farside22

*Ignoring claim.
The only actually scummy thing nahdia has done is quickhammer, and there were multiple people there several minutes later who didn't realize it was a hammer. The claim has a chance of being confirmed or confirming someone else is another reason I want to leave them alive longer.

pal, u need to update this like rn
either way, why did u vote nahdia while we r on the matter?

[word321]

i mean, from my pov there was progress; there was a wagon on ur slot, u began talkin more...

[word321]

no hidden pressure, rest assured on that

[word321]

paraphgrase

paraphrases*

[word321]

well, ill wait for player reactions
tomorrow ill keep checking
too late here

[NorwegianboyEE]

how am I not dead...

Sigh... i suppose you’ll be a torn in my side for longer... :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

the difficulty we had getting that lynch through, day 2 is gonna be a great reread. i cant see why scum kill gobble here.

perhaps the mason claim? I don't think it's that, so maybe gobble was on to scum.

Great, now you’re explaining the NK for us in the way i’d expect mafia to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: stanley

He was too sure of nahdia flipping scum. He was also seen getting off a brightly colored bus a block away from the lynching.

How about NDmath or maybe Madonna? Do you think they have less chance of bussing than Stan1ey?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And fun fact: Nahdia was voting for Stan1ey. But he didn’t vote back. Doesn’t seem like overt SvS bussing to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait, that’s wrong. Lol. Forget my latest post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I expected Popopo to die today, but he didn’t. I’d be fine with sheeping his reads today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Madonna/NDmath/Votato/Midwaybear are the most suspicious slots to me right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Aloratom might be my weakest TR.

[stan1ey]

VOTE: Albert

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Albert

Explain your read brah.
This looks interesting.

[stan1ey]

Albert B. Rampage is Probably Mafia, and why YOU should vote him!

by 1ey

Alberts Day 2 iso:

Spoiler:

Post 697: bonus from day 1 - albert makes sure to remind us pre flip he thinks bob might be town
post 722: irrelevent question, nahdia will obviously answer this in their first post back anyway - "im helping guys"
post 735: question to the mod
post 760: questions Nahdia's claim, makes sure to point out how unlikely it is
post 769: questions the claim again, makes the point that if Nahdia was scum there could be better claims
post 770: votes for midway
post 779: low effort post, claims nahdia shouldnt be lynched with 0 reasoning
post 795: actually gives some reasoning to not lynch nahdia, says we should be hunting scum but doesnt point to anyone himself - "im helping guys!!"
post 779: votes for farside22, gives no reasoning behind it
post 822: claims to have thought nahdia was scum but says we shouldnt lynch them because he wants to make progress on solving before he dies. doesnt actually make any effort to make progress on solving - "i really want to help guys"
post 828: gives a terrible and low effort reason for not lynch nahdia "all town agree".. clearly we didnt lolol
post 831: claims we are all "distracted" by nahdia. claims he wants to see some pushs on some people, but doesnt do it himself. "im really helping guys!!"
post 838: claims Nahdia is a distraction again
post 841: low effort post - claims we need to "work together" and do some thinking.. doesn't do either himself - "im helping!"
post 851: meme post
Post 856: another post with no substance kinda meme
post 859: town reads popo
post 883: starts to put suspicion on gobble based on his post count. one of the few posts that have some substance.
post 919: votes Nahdia and shows his frustration that people arent following his lead.
post 928: claims to not care about the game, low effort post with no substance.
post 929: votes midway again
post 945: claims nahdia to be town - gives 0 reasons why
post 947: gives reasoning for town reading nahdia - "It's just too scummy to be scum." bruh
post 948: says he is happy to delay nahdia lynch to day 3 (you all know how i felt on this -________- )
post 950: kinda meme post
post 953: claims he cant scumhunt because everyone wants to lynch the 99% caught scum
post 954: says our arguments for lynching nahdia arent helpful
post 955: says he might give up again
post 988: votes for me
post 1008: says he is bored
post 1011: says he will sheep NBEE
post 1023: votes NDMath
post 1024: says again he doesnt want to lynch Nahdia
post 1029: discusses the setup
post 1038/39: meme
post 1046: votes for me again
post 1066: "imagine if nahdia is town tho that would suck right guys??"
post 1075: pleads popo to do something other than tunnel nahdia
post 1076: says again if nahdia is town its a bad lynch basically
post 1081: idk
post 1087: farside asks who instead of nahdia (reply to 1076) ABR replies saying idk (lol)
post 1100: says things are getting interesting
post 1110: says he will give up in nahdia gets lynched
post 1114: meme
post 1122: tries to throw shade on me, saying i am reacting bad to pressure. (by "pressure" he means his vote that had no reason behind it, a vote from NAHDIA and a vote from votato that was sheeping his original vote, lmao)
post 1124: acknowledges this and says i need more votes lolol
post 1136: says he will either vote nahdia or madonna cos he is bored
post 1150: pulls a 180 no scope and says nahdia will flip scum

TLDR:

spends the entire day claiming Nahdia is town because she is "too scummy to be scum", settles for delaying it for day 3 (lol) and when its finally done does a 180 and says he thinks she is actually mafia.

Very interesting post here I will use to show why Albert is prolly mafia:

nahdia could easily be town here.

Why are you town reading nahdia?

This is how she plays. If bob was scum all the hypocrites here would say she's a genius. The voyeur thing hurts her more than helps her if she's scum. I don't see how nahdia is going to win the game by pulling the greatest trick ever on town by quickhammering + shitty PR claim + OMGUS. It's just too scummy to be scum. I understand we should policy lynch her as a punishment, but do I really think she's gonna flip red? No, I don't.

" don't see how nahdia is going to win the game by pulling the greatest trick ever on town by quickhammering + shitty PR claim + OMGUS."

Let's break this down into two parts:

1) quickhammering
2) making a bad claim

1) is easy to answer. scum would quickly hammer them if their teammates are confident they are in the clear and town read by many of the town.

Based off of Schadd's vote counts, Albert had a maximum of 2 votes on his wagon in entire of day 1. He was barely pushed by anyone, and the 2 vote wagon was way back on page 21 of the thread. The folliwing vc he has 0 votes, he ended the day with 0 votes. He also managed to slip in a post before the flip to make sure everyone knew he wasnt sure bob was a good lynch. Everything points to Albert NOT being under suspicion day 2. Did he even get a single vote day 2? I haven't double checked but I am pretty sure I am the only person who even suggested he might be mafia. I truely believe Albert would have the confidence to think he would be able to stay under the radar and let Nahdia quickhammer and eat a vig bullet or get lynched.

2) making a bad claim

its entirely posisble the claim was made for the sole purpose of the mafia being able to make the argument that "its too scummy to be scum" to try and delay Nahdia getting lynched, because at the end of the day, the Nahdia lynch or vig kill is inevitable! they dont NEED to try and make the optimal claim. at the end of the day,

delaying it for as long as possible is the optimal thing for the mafia to do

, and this might achieve that. in fact

Alberts entire day 2 iso is basically dedicated to achieving this

Albert sets this idea up with post 760 saying how bad the claim is then immediately follows up with 769 to say how it could be true as their is better claims to make as mafia., then finally comes out with it fully with the post above. Its possible Albert was trying to plant the seed to let someone else come up with this idea of it being "too scummy to be scum" in posts 760 and 769, but nobody does.. Could this be the reason Albert seems so frustrated when he gives up and votes Nahdia here:

Fine. Tired of fighting vs. ppl who don't want to listen.

VOTE: Nahdia

his plan to plant this seed of "its too scummy to be scum" didnt work, so he gives up and votes Nahdia. ultimately though he decided to just go for it and come out with the idea himself in post 947.

the two points above, combined with his day 2 iso containing basically nothing but low effort posts apart from those relating to Nahdia's claim being "too scummy" or why we should wait til day 3 to lynch them makes me think that this could be true.

no reasonable towny would play like this

, i am fully aware i may be wearing a tinfoil hat rn but i think this is all entirely possible.

BONUS from day 3:

Spoiler:

d2 final vote count

stan1ey (2):

Albert B. Rampage, Nahdia

If that isn't the scummiest "wagon" youve ever seen then idk what is, yet he starts day 3 by trying to keep it going on me here:

VOTE: stanley

He was too sure of nahdia flipping scum. He was also seen getting off a brightly colored bus a block away from the lynching.

This is straight up dishonest tbh. Obviously I was pretty sure Nahdia was mafia it was about as close to catching scum as you can get without a investigative getting them on a night move or them actually admitting it. But popo was dead set Nahdia was caught scum, way more positive on it than me yet he town reads popo:

letting nahdia continue into day 3 is such a ridiculous idea i cant believe its even being considered. if we end up taking this too far and end up in lylo with nahdia and it turns out by some crazy chance she is actually town then we're fucked. idc how you justify it , if youre a towny suggesting we dont lynch nahdia today then youre inting hard

if Nahdia is town and is kept alive until lylo then its game over.

If nahdia is town then scum have the incentive to keep her alive for all the reasons i keep saying that we need to lynch her today so im not suprised. but i agree, pretty sure nahdia will be mafia.

clearly i was open to the idea Nahdia could have been town. I was pretty sure she was Mafia, but i was voting for her based on principle because if that lynch was delayed how fucked the game would have been from there on. this reason for voting for me is just dishonest tbh. and saying i was bussing her is just lazy, you can make that claim about anyone on the nahdia wagon with the same amount of effort he did it to me too.

Conclusion (spoiler alert):

Spoiler:

lynch Albert

[NorwegianboyEE]

Huh, neat.
VOTE: Albert

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't actually have any reason to TR Albert i just realized, so definitely happy with my vote there for now.

[farside22]

@Abr: im still lookingfor a responseto this.

Nahdia should flip scum

Why for the love of God were you not wanting to lynch her?

If I'm right I look like a genius, if I'm wrong I survive the night.

I don't find that a good answer.

His 871 Ive found kind of pointless, buts that not exactly indicative (unless Nahdia flips green, but even then, its still too few). I cant rly develop this further.

Pointless?

VOTE: word

theres too few to develop on, as in ur slot
and with pointless, i meant im pretty sure we rnt allowed to quote pms (or any sensible info, etc), and i dnt know how strict it is regarding translitations
even if it wasnt the case, the fact we cant directly quote can induce instead paraphgrases (i dnt rly know if this is the correct word in english, its what google said)
so it wasnt a point in that regard (only in an hypothesis of adding fuel to the fire, wich clearly was not the case)
didnt mean to insult anyone

You make my head hurt.
You can paraphrase your PM or anything you get from the mod, it can not be a direct quote.
You can claim your role. When in doubt ask the mod if the way you phrase something is okay before posting it.

That said I woke up just before 6am thinking about Albert and stan1ly just stole my thunder. I was thinking about how he just kept calling her town and pushing against her. He never explained the town read on Nahdia. I thought it was weird but I thought ABR scum wouldn't protect his scum buddy like that and last night I thought, why not? He could use that too as meta excuse. He votes stand1ly but Nahdia voted for him too where she didn't vote for other wagon's like NDMath so why did Stan1ly get into this scum read.
Still keeping NDMath on my scum read. I'm torn with Word. Moments I like what the guy says and then he says something that comes across very scummy. Madonna is still on my scum list as well (but I want to review a few things there)

VOTE: Albert

[NDMath]

d1 final vote count

bob3141

(9):

farside22, Aloratom,

gobbledygook,

Madonna, NorwegianboyEE, stan1ey, midwaybear, word321,

Nahdia

midwaybear (4):

ManateeDude, Hoctac,

Albert B. Rampage, NDMath

ManateeDude

(1):

votato

farside22 (1):

bob3141

Nahdia

(1):

popopopopopopo

not voting (0):

with 16 alive, it took 9 to lynch.

d2 final vote count

Nahdia

(7):

popopopopopopo, stan1ey,

gobbledygook,

NorwegianboyEE, Madonna, NDMath, farside22

stan1ey (2):

Albert B. Rampage,

Nahdia

NDMath (1):

word321

Madonna (1):

votato

not voting (2):

midwaybear, Aloratom

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

I looked at these during the night.
I was

gonna

say that given I'm town and Albert's obvtown, midway should be scum because in the first votecount scum show a clear preference to hanging Bob over midway.
Not much info in the second votecount, at least yet.