Mini Theme 2145: The Weakest Link Game over

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Read spring's post I'm quoting

Why do you scum read Raya?

Ok so TSE rolled scum, cool

I'm leaving SirCakez out of my last two

Where did Raya come from?

TSE, I have 17 posts, 18 with this one, almost all of them are one or two liners.

Read the game.

Nothing about Raya.

So far I have Bee and Dunn as town reads

Why do you think SirCakez and I are scum Pink?

Post 40 and 41 seems like trying to put on your own words what was obvious and already stated, acting like you're contributing to the mechanics' discussion when in reality you're not really doing anything. Some kind of "I want to be part of this conversation" instead of "I want to contribute".

Three times you asked for Raya, and I'm talking directly to Raya giving my explanation in this post.

TSE, for the last time, shut up and read.

I feel like a fuckin Idiot.

[Pink Ball]

Don't!! Just focus on reading, you're reacting too much. You have the spirit, now focus.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Don't!! Just focus on reading, you're reacting too much. You have the spirit, now focus.

I would like more content with Unwnd and maybe a past town game with them.
So I can see their town meta.
Do you know if one of the games they have played?

[Starbuck]

And it's wack that Starbuck's top two SRs are both people who pushed her first.

You were buddying as all hell to beeboy and you're still doing it.


Also, where did ABR push me? Where is ABR's gameplay? Because he's just making noise right now.

[Starbuck]

Seriously, read ABR in ISO and tell me that he isn't scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't like your heavy handed posts, Starbuck. If you were town I'd expect more light-heartedness and fun. It seems you're under pressure of not being discovered.

He’s not scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sorry.
“He isn’t scum”

[Starbuck]

Okay, he could not be scum, but he's being hella unhelpful if he's town.

[farside22]

mod: V/LA for 2-3 days

[Starbuck]

Re-read Part 1, Page 1 to 5

I've thought about the strategy to this game today and it is optimal play for town is to just hand the chain to whoever they are confident is town and is least likely to get a chain from someone else.

Beeboy, do you still feel like this is the case or has your stance changed?

We also want a somewhat random town player being 2nd last so we shouldn't just select a "2nd last town" to make the kill, we want a fluid game state that allows for people to have free will especially in the early game since information is more valuable then actually hitting scum day 1 and 2. You can't solve a lot of players without letting them make hard hitting choices and by just shoving choices down their throat we can't ever get a solid read.

Same question here.

I rolled NU btw.
I should not partake in quizzes, although I can freely be chainleader as they don't actually partake in quizzes which makes my NU not matter.

TSE's recent question of "is this an all vanilla game?" makes even less sense when beeboy claimed Negative Utility out of the gate and discusses it on the first page.

Shouldn't we be controlling who that second-to-last person is?
Because if scum is third-to-last, controlling it means they don't get a chance to save a buddy, when that is a position where scum is highly likely to select a buddy.

In a Mini, is it typically still 3 scum or 4? How do so many people think that we'll be able to control that second-to-last let alone the rungs before that? Not to mention how often town mislynches on Day 1 anyways.

Additionally, are we operating under the assumption that the Day 1 chain leader is town?

I’m unsure on Farside Tbh.
Think they are scum.

How about this, TSE? What was shady about farside here? Are you feeling the same now?

@Raya, @Dunnstral wanna make a pact to get the chain to the 3 of us upon receiving it?

I town read both of you so yes I can make that pact

I feel like I missed this "pact" on my first read through. It's weird because I don't feel anything shady, but that's usually where I end up misreading someone hiding in plain sight as scum.


Also, farside's emojis get explained later. I still feel purposefully not interacting is anti-town, even if you deem someone a scum read, because others could learn/pick up something from the go-between.

[Starbuck]

Re-read Part 2, Page 6 to 10

Reading back through my back-and-forth with SirCakez, I'm still feeling he's shady. To me, and maybe someone else who isn't he or I can go back, he was grasping at straws because he didn't actually ask me WHY I felt that way. He just didn't like how I said it and that's what he harped on, and probably why I came off more defensive than I thought.

I'm concerned that he didn't want to investigate or question me as to the WHY more than the HOW. He wanted to just point his finger and force something where there wasn't anything. His continual push of it, in defending beeboy, feels like he's buddying up to beeboy given this post from beeboy much earlier:

lmao I am just memeing dw.

You, Cakez, Dunnstral and ABR are the players I trust from the pregame to preform well as town.

Looking at beeboy's 138 response again, I don't necessarily think what I said was scummy. I've already said it but I think organic conversation, rather than pushing it where you want it to go, is more beneficial at the end of the day. I thought we lost a good opportunity to scumhunt while folks figured out the best way to use the mechanic, rather than just lay a plan out for everyone to go "okay that sounds great." I would have looked for nuances in the conversations that would have played out.

Even after this disagreement, I don't think beeboy is scum as SirCakez kept trying to say to push on me.


Ahh, so this is why I was lost on unwnd. He replaced in.

Of course the 1 afk guy is the chainleader

Isn't that always how it goes?

Starbuck and Dunn are never wolf with Unwnd.

I missed this before. What are you saying here?

FoS Counter

midwaybear (3) - Raya, Beeboy, NDMath

unwnd(1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

SirCakez (1) -

NDMath

Starbuck (2) -

Beeboy, Farside

Seeing the FOS counter here, midwaybear has been flying under my radar. What am I missing on him?

I'm not trying to force something I'm trying to understand why you made that post the way you did.

Not the why behind my feelings on the subject at hand, the why behind "why I made the post the way I did."

If you think unwnd is poor scum, then shouldn't you have been happy cuz you caught scum. I agree that the outburst was pretty weird.

Again, I just think scum should play better then that as that play overall is garbage.
If they are Town, they need to step it up and not be Anti-Town.

Could that be a reason to believe that someone isn't scum?


Ahhh, I'm starting to see the universal town-read thing on Raya and why my response of choosing beeboy or her as who I'd past the chain seems like an easy choice. Maybe I need to create a ranking of everyone else again.

I’d like ABR to be chosen when there is only 4 to choose from and if he chooses Unwnd or Farside I’d lynch the other.

TBH, I could get behind this plan. I'm not too sure on Unwnd just yet because I feel you're slightly tunneling (at this point in my read).

However, ABR and farside are confounding me. I mean, they are both parroting each other saying that they expected me to be more lighthearted, but to be real, I expected folks I know to be a little more welcoming to me and less negative. So the tones, and personal slights in regards to farside, which they are taking with me are really throwing me off. I want to play, so bring game play at me.

If unwnd isn’t scum then they shouldn’t just be shading everyone and actually start doing something productive/Point Post.

My concern about your push on unwnd all through page 9 is that they had barely been in the game for 12 hours as you're doing this. Maybe just be patient and give them time to respond? Ahh, look bottom of page 10, he says he was working. Woo-sah a bit, friend.

Math, Spring and unwnd are all players I think need to provide more content

+1

[SirCakez]

And it's wack that Starbuck's top two SRs are both people who pushed her first.

You were buddying as all hell to beeboy and you're still doing it.


Also, where did ABR push me? Where is ABR's gameplay? Because he's just making noise right now.

He's my top TR, sue me.
ABR has called you scum a couple times iirc
I agree his lack of real gameplay is suspicious but I SRed him for the same thing in Guns and Roses and was wrong there so I'm hesitant.

[SirCakez]

He's my top TR being beeboy, not ABR

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's my top TR being beeboy, not ABR

[Starbuck]

And it's wack that Starbuck's top two SRs are both people who pushed her first.

You were buddying as all hell to beeboy and you're still doing it.


Also, where did ABR push me? Where is ABR's gameplay? Because he's just making noise right now.

He's my top TR, sue me.
ABR has called you scum a couple times iirc
I agree his lack of real gameplay is suspicious but I SRed him for the same thing in Guns and Roses and was wrong there so I'm hesitant.

He has, but this is how I picture him doing it.

[beeboy]

I agree his lack of real gameplay is suspicious but I SRed him for the same thing in Guns and Roses and was wrong there so I'm hesitant.

His ISO in that game is a lot better then his ISO here.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ect[]=6983

He is more aggressive and is less fluffy.
Idk just feels like scum who doesn't want to commit to anything early/ have his town reputation chase him by having a good day 1.

[beeboy]

I wonder if Spring realizes other people also need time to hold onto the chain.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I wonder if Spring realizes other people also need time to hold onto the chain.

Apparently not.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spring you need to let go girl

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spring you need to let go girl

[Pink Ball]

Don't!! Just focus on reading, you're reacting too much. You have the spirit, now focus.

I would like more content with Unwnd and maybe a past town game with them.
So I can see their town meta.
Do you know if one of the games they have played?

I have only played with them in Donnie Brasco, where they were town, but that game is not good to compare because of the mechanics. Only thing I could add is that they had a straightforward approach and I liked it, but that's probably NAI.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well that could be a major difference when determining scum tell.
If they explain more as Town then scum then there’s a very good chance they rolled scum this game.

[unwnd]

Having come off a stupid loss from another website I'm not really engaging my own behavior. I also came to the conclusion that most people are insecure or self-aware to the point that they will do things that signifies a change in behavior from previous established meta then oops they were town

Can you tell I'm still a little bitter

[midwaybear]

Honestly, I don't think spring not passing the chain is too big of an issue atm.

[farside22]

Wow is Raya a universal townread? That's not good

Nope.

@starbuck

Also, farside's emojis get explained later. I still feel purposefully not interacting is anti-town, even if you deem someone a scum read, because others could learn/pick up something from the go-between

I wanted to play with you. I think your scum so instead of attacking your post like I typically would I'm leaving you be but still scum reading you and reading your post.
For example you stated this.

However, ABR and farside are confounding me. I mean, they are both parroting each other saying that they expected me to be more lighthearted, but to be real, I expected folks I know to be a little more welcoming to me and less negative. So the tones, and personal slights in regards to farside, which they are taking with me are really throwing me off

Players can feel a certain way about players all the time. Many town read beeboy, some players find TSE attack going extreme and over the top. That isnt a reason to be suspicious of a player. Your point just reads as "omgus for think that about me"

I also believe you to be a better player then this to know the difference.