Mini Normal 2128: Normal Mafia - Game Over!

[TheTrollie]

ur right except its way weeker than a cop bc u dont get a result

i cant stop a NK bc i cant stop visitations to town

i can only use my role to prevent the neighborizer from hitting up scum, and the odds i targeted the same person and then found out were low

[bob3141]

why im having trouble placing your role.

its like the disloyal fruit vendor. It acts like a one shot cop but only if the can trick the scum.

[Drew-Sta]

literally think about the fact that i'm sittin pretty at l-2 when it takes 4 to lynch and there are 2 scum left in the game.

Mala is the only one (i think?) other than the two on me who have expressed any interest in voting me

why would i be sitting at L-2 still if scum isnt on my wagon?

it either makes you scum or one of drew/bambi scum.

It does eliminate a germa/mala scum team.

As for you to be scum one of them must be town.
And if you were town they would have flash hammered you

Why the fuck would I push Trollie in 4v2?

[Drew-Sta]

literally think about the fact that i'm sittin pretty at l-2 when it takes 4 to lynch and there are 2 scum left in the game.

Mala is the only one (i think?) other than the two on me who have expressed any interest in voting me

why would i be sitting at L-2 still if scum isnt on my wagon?

Literally that's the point.

Scum win with the double hammer.

And yet, here we sit, L-2.

[TheTrollie]

maybe bc....

You.

Are.

Scum?

[Drew-Sta]

If I was scum, why would I act out like this.

I'd have to be the most aggressive scum in history. And I'm simply not.

I tunnelled iDany. I agree with that. I walked in and scumread mavs. Why would I do that.

But.

If you genuinely believe I'm scum, then just lynch me and let's get this over with.

I'll enjoy end game far more because it's END GAME rather than let's just point fingers and do nothing.

[TheTrollie]

im trying to lynch you

[Drew-Sta]

Why do you think people aren’t following your lead?

[TheTrollie]

unclear

[geraintm]

quick reply.
I am very much down with trollies to vote for drew, I just want a night to go through so that someone might get killed to help confirm someone

[Drew-Sta]

quick reply.
I am very much down with trollies to vote for drew, I just want a night to go through so that someone might get killed to help confirm someone

Just vote me for fucks sake. Get it over with.

[bob3141]

can we all just vote germa

[bob3141]

at those what want trollie who do you think his partner is?

at those who want drew who do you his partner is?

[geraintm]

at those what want trollie who do you think his partner is?

at those who want drew who do you his partner is?

geraintm - im town
bob3141
TheTrollie - i believe they are town
Malakittens
Drew-Sta
Bambi Jay - if trollies is town, then bambi is too

that means i think scum are drew plus one of bob/mala

pretty sure i articulated that previously

[bob3141]

why is trollie the only person you have a read on.

Even your bambi read is dependant on trollie.

my gut is say if teh team was germa/trollie scum team germa would of bussed him.

Most likely germa waiting for another vote to hammer.



no way town doesnt have more reads. If you do germa then tell us your reads on each player

[geraintm]

I have zero extra info to base my reads on. I found trollie claim believable. I said at the time if it is fake, then they've got me.

Since the claim, trollie has been consistent and I find their posts believable. Their actions and votes are consistent. That is why I read them as town. It is people who are inconsistent or have reads that need to be twisted to get there that I don't like.

[geraintm]

Bambi I read as town, dont believe I ever really had them in the wcum.pile but they are posting in a way consistent with my view of them and the info gained from trollie. I think up until the claim I had trollie and drew.as my top two

[bob3141]

I have zero extra info to base my reads on. I found trollie claim believable. I said at the time if it is fake, then they've got me.

Since the claim, trollie has been consistent and I find their posts believable. Their actions and votes are consistent. That is why I read them as town. It is people who are inconsistent or have reads that need to be twisted to get there that I don't like.

so your saying after 6 days you have no reads. serously

[Malakittens]

Liking Bob & Drew as town.
If Trollie is town then Bambi would be town via the claim most likely.
I like gera and trollie for scum.
Bambi I’m kinda waiting for trollie to flip bc trollie being scum.. I’m not sure where Bambi’s alignment stands

[TheTrollie]

gera is town.

Bob, I see what you are saying - I really do, but I don't see gera pushing so hard against an easy lynch target right now as scum.

The ONLY scum strategy given gera's behavior would be for him to be pushing the NO LYNCH wagon hard, NKing me tonight, and using that to ensure the he isnt lynched tomorrow but that someone else (most likely drew) is.

literally there is no other scum motivation I can think of for why gera would be pushing so hard for no lynch.

u dont even need to know I am town to get that:

gera-town/trollie-town: makes sense for gera to stick to his townread on trollie and push for a No Lynch to take a try at decreasing uncertainty
gera-town/trollie-scum: ^same thing, gera wouldn't know I was scum, his behavior would check out
gera-scum/trollie-scum: I guess you could conceivably believe this is all some major bussing ploy. but I find it hard to believe that if we were the scum team, our strategy here would be to push nolynch hard instead of trying to gain consensus elsewhere.

gera-scum/trollie town: Trollie is on L-2 during mylo and 1 of the 2 scum is pressing firmly that no-way, no-how will they join the trollie wagon. only 2 ways out:
(a) gera hopes that someone else today joins drew on me and then quick hammers me. he can't vote me before the hammer and maintain this read.
(b) if he doesn't get the chance to hammer today because we no lynch (or lynch elsewhere), kill me tonight, confirming me and bambi as town but also being unlikely to face scrutiny tomorrow and being able to direct attention elsewhere.

So like, that isn't a HORRIBLE strategy, but its sorta the ONLY scum strategy here. What do you think? is there another strat I'm not thinking? Do you have reason to believe that is what is happening here?

[TheTrollie]

ok fuck. duh.

No Lynch (2) - geraintm, TheTrollie
TheTrollie (2) - Drew-Sta, Bambi Jay

Not voting (2) - Malakittens, bob3141

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I'm telling you I am town. We can discuss that. I know you don't have confirmation on that but to the townies out there, let's have a discussion about what I can possibly do to help solidify that read for you
That means Bambi is town.
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Mala/Bob cannot both be scum because if so I would be dead. In fact, there cannot be 2 scum in mala/bob/gerain. There can only be 1 in that group.

That means that the other scum is in Bambi/Drew.

Bambi is town.

VOTE: drew

If I am town Drew MUST be scum. There is no other way around that right?

Please tell me what I have to do to convice you I am town.

[TheTrollie]

Here's all the cards on the table about how i've played this game:

I got my Role PM, I had no idea the strategic way to use it. I even did some research on the wiki to see if there were any strategy tips for a disloyal rolestopper (there werent).

I thought long and hard about it and I decided that I could really fuck up town if I targeted scum and we had a cop or vig in the game. So my early game strat was target town.

After Molla claimed mason, I suspected Allo was the other mason given his "allo is town" post early in the game. So, that was my obvious N1 visit to see if I could dig into my hypothesis a bit.

D2, BB full claimed Mason neighborizer, said he targeted MT, and that he'd target bambi that night to prove it. With some confidence that bambi may be the target of a night action then, I targeted bambi.

D3, in my second post (first one with content, #851) I ask if a neighborize gets resolved before a kill. BB had died so I wanted to know. If he did target bambi, and if bambi wasn't neighborized - as long as the kill resolved last, it meant my rolestop meant she was scum. But if the kill resolved first, Bambi not being in the neighborhood meant jack shit.

I got that answered and at this point, I thought (a) I had a result and (b) that there was one, HUGE neighborhood that was maybe not pro-town which is why i pushed for the neighborhood to maybe out themselves. Knowing that if they did, we could trace back to find out bambi's alignment.

What I totally, totally missed during all of this was bambi's post #937 where she claimed to have been neighborized. I only found that post the next day when I was neighborized and figured out how the neighborhoods worked, because Allo had posted something like "according to bambi's post she knows that I am the other mason bc bb told her." I RUSHED to ISO bambi and I made a whole big deal out of this on the PT where I quotted that post and announced that this was huge news bc it means I had some intel.

I thought for a while if it's possible that bambi would bluff. But then I realized scum-bambi had no way of being sure the she was neighborized, so posting that would have been a huge gambit that wasn't worth taking unless she was actually in the neighborhood.

So, I decided bambi was neighborized, and she therefore was town.

I soft posted this in the PT. and that is when Drew directed me to post in the GAME THREAD why i thought Mala was scum, but post only in the PT why I was so certain that bambi was town. Then he voted me in the Game thread before I responded to his pr fishing scheme.

That's literally where my head was from D1 to D3. I hope it helps you solidify your read of me as town, and therefore realize that the logic in my post above leaves no option but scum-drew.

[geraintm]

Trollie logic to me is solid. I am 95% sure drew is scum. The other scum is bob or mala. I was hoping scum would helpfully kill one of them and help solve the game.

Bambi, as I consider you 100% town, do you disagree with trollie logic? Because I feel if you are on board with logic them we can finish the game quickly

[geraintm]

I also am leaning more that bob is town over mala.

[Drew-Sta]

Guys, I really don't care any more. Can we just vote me or vote trollie? I want to end this game so I can get some closure in my life on what has been a train wreck of a game for me.