Mini Normal 2143 (Game over)

[Firebringer]

we aren't making hasty decisions.

except for the decision that u can't be trusted on world facts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was being totally honest tho.

[NoPowerOverMe]

And we the agree that the odds of popo scum claiming neo and getting town counterclaimed is small right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And we the agree that the odds of popo scum claiming neo and getting town counterclaimed is small right?

It depends a bit on the context i think. But yeah, on the surface it doesn't seem likely.

[NoPowerOverMe]

So I think the correct move after Quick surfaces is to vote Fakran unless someone has better reasoning.

[Porkens]

Oh I may have misunderstood my research. It’s an American commercial in Italian. Muh bad. VOTE: unvote

[NorwegianboyEE]

The joke writes itself.

[Farkran]

A good night of sleep is an awesome thing to clear your mind. I wanted you guys to realize a couple things while we wait for quick:

1) The whole hagen maz case is based on me noticing the crumb in less than 3 hours and decide to steal the neapolitan claim instead of going of a different claim that wouldn't conflict with my knowledge at the time. Claiming town neighbor would have been immensely easier, for instance. Remember that all of this happened before n1 results were resolved, so both town and scum had absolutely no knowledge of each other's roles or results.

2) I've been producing consistent results and reactions, whereas popopo did not. Check post 1333 (day 2) and follow that up with posts 1982+1983 (day 3), then tell me if this is how a neapolitan who checked me N2 would react to a NOT VANILLA result that night. Compare it to how i switched my read of Firebringer during d2 after i checked him, and how i insisted on FoSsing popopo during d3 because i got that not VT result.
2a) Moreover, there is no trace of a sakura result crumb during d2 or d3 - literally none, whereas i crumbed all my results as soon as i had them in case i was eating NK.

3) I was the first to ask popopo to claim today, i made it pretty clear that i had a soft guilty on him (2093).

4) My results contain a conftown clear on Firebringer, who confirmed it. Why would i, as scum, counterclaim a neapolitan that would nail my death (either today or tomorrow) AND at the same time produce a conftown result which makes the game easier for the town if i get lynched today? Compare this to popopo results which contain no clear whatsoever


I mean, i don't know how much you guys want to overthink this, but seriously the only thing that holds popopo claim up is that hagen maz post and

nothing else

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[Firebringer]

but farkran, i find it outrageous u need a check on me to confirm how obviously townie i have been all game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

No, what's holding it up is that it's more likely that you would find popo's crumb and fake claim more than him to fake claim and for you to be a real neo.

[Firebringer]

again they could both be neopolitans one scum and one town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

They could but that would be pretty weird.

[Firebringer]

yes but so is this situation

[NoPowerOverMe]

You have to play the game by the odds right?

[Firebringer]

if we play the game by odds, we lynch popopo since Farkran is clearing 2 players and improves our chances of winning if he is town over Popop.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's only if he is town though, an unlikely scenario in the first place. So that's not the odds on play.

[Firebringer]

scum don't want to clear players from suspicion list becuse that limits amount of wiggle room they have for mislynches.
Farkran is clearly trying to eliminate suspects imo. I don't see Popopop even trying. and when I give the opportunity to figure out who Farkran is trying to sacrifice him for. He gives me a blank nothing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not going to not do the mathematically correct thing. Fakran is obviously the better player. That doesn't make him town.

[Firebringer]

i think popopop clearly wants to lynch Farkan. But that is for his own survival. I can't see alignment reading into that. What I would do and I think most town plyers would be looking into "who is defending farkran" and "who does Farkran bet on the game". He didn't even come to the conclusion that Farkran is basically throwing himself away just to lynch him. I had to continue point that to him. And we get 0 thoughts on who he is doing it for? Not even "well I don't think Farkran is aligned with X or Y" just "I have no clue dude I just have this result on Quick" Doesn't even say he thinks its Quick. Just repeats the info he claims he had.

He is giving out little info for us about who to look at, who to think about, and is just courting votes on Farkran. Whereas Farkran names players he thinks it is which goes against a scum strategy of trying court votes to support ur cause.

[Firebringer]

I'm not going to not do the mathematically correct thing. Fakran is obviously the better player. That doesn't make him town.

Who do u think Farkran is betting the gme on then? Cause we know that is his plan for this game if he is scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I get it. But Farkran's story doesn't add up. It would have to mean a double neo claim or two neo's in the game. I just don't buy it, sorry, from a structural standpoint in a normal game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not going to not do the mathematically correct thing. Fakran is obviously the better player. That doesn't make him town.

Who do u think Farkran is betting the gme on then? Cause we know that is his plan for this game if he is scum.

I don't know, me maybe?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not going to not do the mathematically correct thing. Fakran is obviously the better player. That doesn't make him town.

Who do u think Farkran is betting the gme on then? Cause we know that is his plan for this game if he is scum.

I don't know, me maybe?

[Firebringer]

Lets say Farkran is scum and we lynch him:

Night 4 Popopo is killed
Day 5 we have u/me/norwee/quick/porkens

No one is effectively cleared here. So what can we deduce from this? Would Farkran try to clear me as part of this gambit? Is it Quick because he is not VT. Is it Porkens since he claimed they both had the neighborhood and is backing up his claim. Thats extremely risky.

This seems like a high risk little reward in a world where Farkran doesn't claim because I think his teammate wasn't in high level of danger of lynch unless its Porkens I guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

T/S/S hood if it's Porkens/Farkran.