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[PenguinPower]

Camping

[PenguinPower]

The 5 are Brian Skies Alisae Eli mhsmith0 and Shiro

I don't remember Lilith displaying her emotions this much before as scum. I have her as a town lean. I don't exactly see her pushing an agenda at the moment.

What do you make of her inconsistency in her take on Bingle vs. herself?

[Menalque]

Did you play before she took her break? I feel uneasy about her although I can’t put my finger on exactly why. I think it might be that she seems hedgey and I’m not sure if she’s like that as town but she definitely can be as scum

[Datisi]

i think his mena read makes sense and comes from a townie perspective

Go on

i think the idea of "if mena admits he can read datisi better when they spampost, it would make more sense of town!him to get them enganged in the game rather than immedately labeling them as 'maybe scum'" is fine. i don't necessarily agree that that's what town!you would do, since historically town!you didn't do that. but i think the idea itself is fine and towny.

I don’t really feel like fighting and honestly it feels like that’s sort of what you’re spoiling for @dats

rereading, did you really think i was picking a fight (assuming that's what that means)? and what does that tell you?

I felt like you were being abrasive rather than trying to work with me. In terms of what it means idk but it felt similar to how you were interacting with me in furret’s pt2 which makes me not really want to get into it further

Is there a world where scum you intentionally fights with me because you know I don’t enjoy that to make me disengage and specifically not want to engage with you so that I don’t get to a read on you? Yes, sure. I just don’t think that’s that likely vs you actually believing that i can’t read you for shit and deciding to take issue with that/maybe being in a bad mood I guess

It just has the same end result of me it really wanting to interact if I feel like you’re just going to shit on my play, which is what it feels like when you say I can’t read you despite there being multiple games where I have done so correctly, and it only starting to become a problem since you started interacting with me in a more paranoid manner/being more aggressive from the start rather than trying to solve with me or shitpost with me

i mean, your first (non-meme) posts aimed at me (or rather, mentioning me) were 122, 174, 201 and 241, and i feel like the same argument can be made for you too, because they don't exactly give me the vibe of wanting to work together? especially when you know my first instinct when i feel like i'm unfairly attacked is to bite back? like, you're also starting off with a "paranoid"/aggressive outlook of "datisi is absent from the thread", "not posting in order not to have to fake it" etc which like am i supposed to react positively to that?

[MariaR]

The 5 are Brian Skies Alisae Eli mhsmith0 and Shiro

I don't remember Lilith displaying her emotions this much before as scum. I have her as a town lean. I don't exactly see her pushing an agenda at the moment.

What do you make of her inconsistency in her take on Bingle vs. herself?

Considering her reaction was anger (at least I assumed that's why she left) I don't think she even noticed it was an inconsistency. Plus I don't really find inconsistency a scumtell. It was a strong reason why I started to townread her.

[Something_Smart]

High risk, low reward.

Seems like low risk high reward to me, having a hider die without crumbing or because scum caught the crumb and killed their target is huge, whereas scum knowing certain players aren't hiders, when they could be other PR's and scum don't even know if there IS a hider, is not that bad.

[Something_Smart]

Pseudoclaiming hider narrows down the hider pool drastically, and lets scum shoot someone who is more likely to be hidden behind.

Which is good, because people aren't going to hide behind PR's or obvtown.

[Something_Smart]

That iso has a different tone than this game I think. Fire hasn’t fakeclaimed a scum role so he’s probably town

[MariaR]

The more SS posts the more I feel ok lynching him

[Blake Belladonna]

Dw Mena if it makes you feel better there's about a list of 5 players that scare me/know how to read me. Just do your best and don't have your 'want me to be town' blind ya. As for Blake, I think I can read her if she plays the game more actively but I haven't played with half hearted Blake before so its hard.

This entrance is somewhat similar to my play in the first half of TM2020's large. The only significant difference is that I'm not trying to force anything.

I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

[Blake Belladonna]

If you need anything specific from me, give me post numbers.

[Something_Smart]

The more SS posts the more I feel ok lynching him

Shocker.

[Something_Smart]

I am gonna let something smart pick my choices. Haven't seen him post in awhile. Interested who he wants me to case.
U GET THREE PICKS MR SMART.

and one of them will not be my real opinion. muhahhhaha

What now

[Menalque]

Hi S_S, i take it that you’re now caught up, what was your impression of bingle’s take on me and datisi arguing?

[Something_Smart]

I have read all the posts at least once, that does not equate to being caught up

Let me go look real quick

[Something_Smart]

It seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Menalque]

not dismiss her and call her scum

Did you think this was a fair/good faith portrayal of my interaction with datisi?

[Bingle]

Pseudoclaiming hider narrows down the hider pool drastically, and lets scum shoot someone who is more likely to be hidden behind.

Which is good, because people aren't going to hide behind PR's or obvtown.

People aren’t going to hide behind outed prs. They are likely to hide behind pro town that could be deepwolfing (good players) who are also high priority nightkills.

Hider results aren’t trustworthy in this setup.

Leashing hider is a terrible option with this little information, especially given that this hider is the variant that can stop itself from dying.

[Bingle]

not dismiss her and call her scum

Did you think this was a fair/good faith portrayal of my interaction with datisi?

Were you trying to engage with datisi? If so, where?

[Bingle]

Lilith gets it. I don’t think town!Bingle scumreads Menalque for what Bingle is scumreading Menalque for right now.

@gobbles then what does this post mean?

I interpreted your post as scumreading Bingle for including Menalque’s Joke posts in a Real scum case against Menalque. I was agreeing with you by saying I don’t think town!Bingle makes a case like that.

Why would I not pressure someone who made a “joke” post that I thought had an agenda?

[Bingle]

My Bingle scumread is very real. I don’t remember him being this clued in on day 1 in a game in forever and I think that’s be ca use he feels the need to be clued in so that he can guide the game the way he wants.

Supporting evidence?

[gobbledygook]

My gut.

[Bingle]

Yeah, okay.

VOTE: Gobbles

[Something_Smart]

not dismiss her and call her scum

Did you think this was a fair/good faith portrayal of my interaction with datisi?

I mean it seems good faith to me because he clearly took your troll readlist seriously.

[ofrhz]

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