Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Menalque]

UNVOTE:

Also I think I may have been totally wrong on PP

[Menalque]

Also — yes, we should still lynch gobbles, but you should change your vote temporarily to where you think groupscum is to make it easier to track where people thought scum was on D1 in retrospect when people look back at ofhrz’s ISO and the VCs

Or people could just read the game instead of using VC's as a crutch?

I mean what people do is different to what people should do and I see no problem making it easier to see who people were ostensibly scumreading?

[Menalque]

VOTE: turkey

[Something_Smart]

i'm not super comfortable removing those setups until/unless we have further information that shows why this would be highly unlikely

I assume he's using probability.

I would dismiss seven T's (0.8%) but not one T (5.5%).

[Something_Smart]

Scum has more info about the setup so they could know that SK is a safe claim.

No they can't?

[gobbledygook]

Let me know when you’re about to lynch me so I can give final reads

[skitter30]

i think i'm coming around to town!mena

[gobbledygook]

You guys should still use this day as if I never outted.
Skitter, I’m not answering BP or Ninja question. Why does that matter?

[Something_Smart]

No, then we’re weaker because we’re getting further away from outnumbering the scum and he gets to coast another day because people want to try and flip their scumreads.

This sounds like empty rhetoric to me.

You're talking about him surviving another day as if it's automatically a bad thing. Is it? If we compare lynching him tomorrow to lynching him today, the only difference is that an extra player dies overnight. If that player is > rand scum, then it's good; otherwise, it's bad.

Then, if he killed scum, we can leave him alive one more day to put us back on odds without worrying about losing majority. If he killed town, we might have to lynch him-- and this gives him a powerful incentive to play along and try to hit his strongest scumread.

If you assume that his reads are better than random, there is at the very least a reasonable argument for leaving him alive.

[gobbledygook]

I don’t like the idea of commuters claiming to confirm the hider exists.
I also think that Bingle scumreading FB but not voting FB is suss. Especially when he’s voting your lolwagon.

:eyebrow:

I'd expect you of all people to remember that I never argue theory I don't think is protown, regardless of my alignment. It's kind of my whole gimmick.

I also hard disagree with characterizing Mena's wagon as a lolwagon, and am in fact scumreading Mena. I assumed that was obvious when I voted him in a reads post.

This was me claiming the Hider exists which was an ambiguous double crumb as to whether I was claiming hider or commuter.

[gobbledygook]

I townside whenever I am not scum but not town, for the record. I have two games to prove that.

[skitter30]

man i really think ss is scum here

[gobbledygook]

Why wouldn’t he take the guaranteed not group scum flip and just kill me here if he was group scum?

[skitter30]

if he thinks you'll shoot town he gets another person closer to lylo without having to do anything

[Something_Smart]

if he thinks you'll shoot town he gets another person closer to lylo without having to do anything

And anyone who wants to lynch him might be scum who thinks he'll shoot scum or take out a future mislynch. What's your point?

[skitter30]

this is gonna be a mess, i think

[gobbledygook]

This skitter reminds me of the skitter in Menalque’s favorite places and I think shes town

[Something_Smart]

For the record, Occam's razor says this is town-you who actually has to read me for the first time, rather than scum-you specifically attempting to pocket me by tunneling me. (Which is something lilith has done, but it's still an unusual tactic.)

[Something_Smart]

That post was @skitter if it wasn't clear

[skitter30]

This skitter reminds me of the skitter in Menalque’s favorite places and I think shes town

me too

[Blake Belladonna]

UNVOTE: skitter30
VOTE: lilith2013

[skitter30]

no that's a bad vote

[Blake Belladonna]

Because I know I will be asked, I am voting for lilith2013 because I do not have a townread on her.

[Pink Ball]

Scum has more info about the setup so they could know that SK is a safe claim.

No they can't?

Mena already told me, thanks SS

[Menalque]

I townside whenever I am not scum but not town, for the record. I have two games to prove that.

But you’re... the SK? You literally have the wincon of killing every single town player in the game and given that you’re outed helping scum is not the way to do that because it just means we get to killing you faster

Like let’s say we lynch scum today, vig one tonight and you kill the other one

What do you think happens tomorrow?