Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

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VOTE COUNT 1.27

gobbledygook [3]:

Datisi [651], Pink Ball [1115], Menalque [1327]

Something_Smart [2]

: Firebringer [1124], skitter30 [1260]

skitter30 [1]

: MariaR [1164]

MariaR [1]

: gobbledygook [1140]

PenguinPower [1]

: lilith2013 [103]

Menalque [1]:

PenguinPower [1090]

Firebringer [1]:

Bingle [1247]

lilith2013 [1]:

Blake Belladonna [1345]

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

[Menalque]

VOTE: lilith

[Something_Smart]

Mena already told me, thanks SS

Sorry, didn't finish reading before commenting :3

[Pink Ball]

That's a good vote actually

[Menalque]

No, then we’re weaker because we’re getting further away from outnumbering the scum and he gets to coast another day because people want to try and flip their scumreads.

This sounds like empty rhetoric to me.

You're talking about him surviving another day as if it's automatically a bad thing. Is it? If we compare lynching him tomorrow to lynching him today, the only difference is that an extra player dies overnight. If that player is > rand scum, then it's good; otherwise, it's bad.

Then, if he killed scum, we can leave him alive one more day to put us back on odds without worrying about losing majority. If he killed town, we might have to lynch him-- and this gives him a powerful incentive to play along and try to hit his strongest scumread.

If you assume that his reads are better than random, there is at the very least a reasonable argument for leaving him alive.

There is NO INCENTIVE for the turkey to kill scum because that LITERALLY is playing against his wincon

Like in the world where we mislynch every day and the turkey saves us by shooting 3 scum in a row — what does he think happens, we go “yeah, thanks turkey, we just won’t lynch you so that you can win bc you were so helpful to town” lmao

[Menalque]

That's a good vote actually

You should add yours!

[gobbledygook]

I townside whenever I am not scum but not town, for the record. I have two games to prove that.

But you’re... the SK? You literally have the wincon of killing every single town player in the game and given that you’re outed helping scum is not the way to do that because it just means we get to killing you faster

Like let’s say we lynch scum today, vig one tonight and you kill the other one

What do you think happens tomorrow?

I mean the same thing I thought would happen when I claimed SK? Lol. Just because I have a wincondition that says everyone must die doesn’t mean I can’t townside with it. I’m not throwing my wincondition out the window in am against the rules sort of way like I would if I was scum. There’s a lot of gray area with 3P

[gobbledygook]

Like in the world where we mislynch every day and the turkey saves us by shooting 3 scum in a row — what does he think happens, we go “yeah, thanks turkey, we just won’t lynch you so that you can win bc you were so helpful to town” lmao

I mean that’s exactly the thing that happened in Mainstream Mafia II and also I’m Korina’s CK9++ where I caught all three scum and outted that info to the town, so... yeah....

[Pink Ball]

You literally can't townside. Survivor can townside. SK can't win with town

[Menalque]

Right, but my point is that you claiming SK can be within wincon, but actually hard townsiding CANNOT be. That very, very literally conflicts with your wincon or “be the last bird standing”. So I have no reason to trust that you’re actually going to townside because all that would do is hasten your demise. I think you would shoot a slot you believe to be town but you think you could justify as having been within the PoE of slots it’s useful to eliminate, and that you would then try to barter having made a “pro town kill” into another night of life, by which point if we do mislynch twice we’d be getting close to lylo and you’d be able to start sounding quite convincing when you say the scum are the real threat and we need your help

[gobbledygook]

disclaimer, i’m still not really caught up but i’m still working so i can’t make catchup posts

Why did you feel the need to make this post Lilith?

[gobbledygook]

Right, but my point is that you claiming SK can be within wincon, but actually hard townsiding CANNOT be. That very, very literally conflicts with your wincon or “be the last bird standing

That’s not true. I can’t control the outcome of flips or vigs. In your scenario where we successfully kill every scum by day 2, I cannot divine the Lynch’s flip, or the vigilante’s flip, so me hard townsiding in that example is still perfectly within my win con. You’re ignoring the present misinformation well have, especially me, to justify saying future actions will be anti wincondition when that reality can only be shown AFTER the actions take place.

[gobbledygook]

You literally can't townside. Survivor can townside. SK can't win with town

I townsided in both MMII and Korina’s C9++ so I do not understand this post. If you mean in the literal sense, obviously. But I can tip the scales to the town, which is what I’ve always done as 3P.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm rapidly running out of slots I am willing to lynch on day one.

[gobbledygook]

Blake what do you think of the wagons that brought me to L-2 and L-1 respectively?

[Blake Belladonna]

What were the wagon compositions?

[Pink Ball]

You literally can't townside. Survivor can townside. SK can't win with town

I townsided in both MMII and Korina’s C9++ so I do not understand this post. If you mean in the literal sense, obviously. But I can tip the scales to the town, which is what I’ve always done as 3P.

Yes, I used the word literally correctly

[gobbledygook]

@Blake

VOTE COUNT 1.15

gobbledygook [5]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], PenguinPower [653], Menalque [665], MariaR [668]

[L-2]

Bingle [2]

: Firebringer [369], gobbledygook [552]

PenguinPower [2]

: Blake Belladonna [69], lilith2013 [103]

MariaR [1]:

skitter30 [476]

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.24

gobbledygook [5]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], Menalque [665], MariaR [668], Pink Ball [1115] Firebringer

[L-1]

Something_Smart [3]

: skitter30 [1030], gobbledygook [1044], Firebringer [1124]

skitter30 [1]

: Blake Belladonna [805]

PenguinPower [1]

: lilith2013 [103]

Menalque [1]:

PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

[gobbledygook]

Bingle spearheaded the first one, MariaR spearheaded the second

[skitter30]

blake what changed on me ?

[Something_Smart]

There is NO INCENTIVE for the turkey to kill scum because that LITERALLY is playing against his wincon

Like in the world where we mislynch every day and the turkey saves us by shooting 3 scum in a row — what does he think happens, we go “yeah, thanks turkey, we just won’t lynch you so that you can win bc you were so helpful to town” lmao

Saying "there is no incentive to kill three scum" is not the same as saying "there is no incentive to kill one scum."

He has a very real incentive to kill one scum-- we lynch him if he doesn't. Whatever minuscule chance he has to win, it comes from doing whatever we tell him so he doesn't get autolynched.

[Blake Belladonna]

They're virtually the same wagon. Shotgun analysis says that there's scum among those who were on both wagons, but I don't have a good enough grasp of the game yet to be sure of it.

[Blake Belladonna]

blake what changed on me ?

Nothing.

I don't believe this dichotomy needs to be resolved right now, especially when I have another lead that I'd like to pursue currently.

[gobbledygook]

Skitter, why did you ask about BP or Ninja, can just requotr if I missed the answer.
Gonna take a break from this game next couple of days. Please do not lynch me until I have given my final reads.

VOTE: Lilith

[skitter30]

i feel like if you claimed sk you might as well just claim everything