Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Menalque]

As in: let’s say you’re scum. I don’t think you survive the double burden of (1) not being night killed and (2) failing to catch scum in, let’s say 2 days. Meaning that I think you /as scum/ is probably forced to bus a teammate to avoid the BoP trap. I also think you being confident in TRing people who I think are likely town also locks you into lynching in a pool that is likely to contain scum even if you yourself are scum hence forced to bus.

And if you’re town then yeah, I think your reads probably are pretty good and they’re in sync with mine enough that I’m okay going in that direction even if we’ll need to talk about fb at some point.

[Menalque]

You don’t actually seem that invested/interested in solving the game but I just dont know at the moment if that’s scum!indicative or just due to ~*life*~ atm

it's indicative of this game having a high noise percentage (at least to my understanding) and things going in circles without Actual Information (i.e. flips/legit claims)

not much in this game is Inspiring me to solve

I don’t think there’s that much noise although I admit that I’ve probably been posting more than I strictly needed to. But like there’s a lot of things that you just idk, don’t seem that interested in? Like I remember you commenting on skitt/pb but you didn’t seem super interested

I just feel like you normally have more desire to play even on D1s when there are no flips *shrug*

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't think like that on day 1s as scum.

[Something_Smart]

the SR was still intact when I looked at certain VC counts (that made sense for the team to be in this lynch pool) and he was mainly not voting in all 3 of them (the scum that stays off wagons while his partners fish for the desired mislynch that would stick)

Ha ha ha.

[Menalque]

S_S, you should claim

[Something_Smart]

No, I shouldn't.

[Something_Smart]

You all should come up with actual reasoning for your reads on me that isn't clearly NAI, but we can't always get what we want.

[Something_Smart]

And I honestly feel like it's kind of ridiculous that I'm being pushed for calling gobble scum when that doesn't suit any agenda (if he's VT then I just look mega bad on his flip, if he's my partner and I'm bussing then lol, if he's SK then he probably shoots me if I fail to get him lynched), and sticks out like a sore thumb. Last I checked I wasn't in the habit of drawing attention to myself for no reason as scum.

[Something_Smart]

Like seriously.

The support for gobble groupscum is not there. I knew it wasn't going to be there. People are not thinking critically about the claim and retraction and instead just going "oh maybe he's VT who messed up" as if that makes any sense.

WHAT IS MY ANGLE HERE AS SCUM?

Please answer that. What am I trying to accomplish as scum, knowing that people are very likely not going to listen to me, because they never do?

[Menalque]

I don't know what your angle is but idk why you would try to push the gobbles Lynch with "likely group scum" with your angle once he retracted the SK claim

[Menalque]

and I think your angle might be as simple as "survive" because I think the game has been headed towards the lynch being you if not gobbles for a while and so long as he was claiming SK there were voices (myself + others) strongly advocating for his death.

once he retracted then you started pushing him as group scum which just doesn't make sense to me vs seeing him as still being the SK or just being what he says which is VT

[Datisi]

s_s, what's your read on Mena?

[Menalque]

also just ftr, I do listen to you quite a lot when I feel at least moderately confident that you're town

[Menalque]

and I promise that if you flip town then I'll go back to what you've said about people white knighting the initial gobbles wagon and anything else you wanna touch on before we lynch you

none of this changes that you're at de facto L-1 with others who are willing to lynch you around and you should claim your role if you have one

[lilith2013]

i think almost50 is probably town

[Menalque]

what do you think of S_S at this point Lilith?

[lilith2013]

i’m writing up a thing, please hold

[Menalque]

okay cool but like in the meantime could you describe your thoughts on SS within the range of (town, townlean, nulltown, null, nullscum, scumlean, scum)? it's one word and I'm about to go

[lilith2013]

still town

[lilith2013]

i don’t read him by play

[lilith2013]

that’s the TLDR

[Menalque]

wonderful, ty

I still think I want to lynch him but I'll wait for you if you wanna towncase him.

you really should address the fact that you're on a vanity wagon though, and give your thoughts on the turkey (because if you're confident on SS town idk why you're not voting there to try and save him)

[lilith2013]

yeah i basically don’t have any strong scumreads (on groupscum, that is) but i’d definitely rather lynch gobbles over SS

[lilith2013]

VOTE: gobbles

[lilith2013]

i think that’s L-2?