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[Nauci]

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

Just chiming in to say that Osuka definitely does this as town so it's probably NAI

[Nauci]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

Considering this was on page 8 maybe you should have been pressuring somewhere and not making the Mafiascum post equivalent of Hint Water

[osuka]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

Considering this was on page 8 maybe you should have been pressuring somewhere and not making the Mafiascum post equivalent of Hint Water

youre definitely showing some very promising shitpost potential here

[Nauci]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

is this part of the 2020 Black Mirror plot

what timeline am I in

[osuka]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

is this part of the 2020 Black Mirror plot

what timeline am I in

we're in the stupid timeline

[LicketyQuickety]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

What would you call it besides a push? I did say it was a push, but the fact that you focus on my wording instead of my actions tells a whole lot more about you then me. It was pretty clear that I put pressure on you. call it a push, call it pressure, call it Scum hunting, doesn't really matter what you call it. It's pretty clear you keep majoring on the minors. First it was my word choice, now it's something about how you personally categorize stuff, meanwhile, you HAVEN'T actually put any pressure, pushed, Scum hunted really anyone in this game at all except me based on a technicality that is beyond weak. For lack of a better term, it's a bad push.

VOTE: Osuka

For the contradiction of pushing me and not Truth.

and there it is, the classic scum meltdown into omgus

there's a lot to unpack here. in order: you didn't even cast shade on me. You literally just said "this post is kinda scummy and over the top" and proceeded to do ~literally fucking nothing~ about it, other than using it as leverage to defend yourself vs truth's own pseudo-push.

"the minors" are where people who are at least halfway competent slip in this game. the way you say things often reveals much more than the things you're actually saying (or omitting). Even if completely ignoring the fact that I actually did exactly what you suggested in 191 (i.e., pushed someone else - just happened to be you), i find it very difficult to believe that the sequence in 195-198-201-202 topped off by 208 comes from town

you got overly defensive way too quick and tried to spin the situation as if i was the offending party, when in fact you very directly contradicted yourself after making a very noncommittal poke at me to use it elsewhere in the game, then flipping right back to whatever version of it was most convenient for you at the time

I've never "melted down" as Scum. Why? Because I play strategically as Scum. I'm actually a lot better at Scum, but I prefer to play as Town.

I explained like a million times why I thought that post was Scummy and it had a larger connotation to the rest of your play as a whole rather than just that one post.

Why would I abandon my GL vote at that point in the game when GL hadn't returned yet? I voted you for pushing minor things that are NAI. For starters, defensiveness is NOT a Scum tell. I have said that so many times it's kinds dumb tbh.

I still don't like you complaining. That seems to be a personal problem, however. Maybe you want to fix that at some point? Your post I attacked you on WAS OTT. It's pretty clear that Truth saw that as well. Like I said, the ONLY reason I didn't vote you right then and there is because I didn't want to take my vote off GL, who I am thinking of going back to so my vote actually means something.

"i find it very difficult to believe that the sequence in 195-198-201-202 topped off by 208 comes from town" Why? Is this your "expert Scum hunting"? I'm Town, good luck lynching me if I make it past D1.

It's kinda bull shit that I tell you to to actually do something, anything and you end up pushing me for that. Like, does that really make any sense? I tell you to execute your own agency and you take it out on the people who suggested it? You world is kinda revolved around complaining and bitterness, isn't it?

[LicketyQuickety]

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

Just chiming in to say that Osuka definitely does this as town so it's probably NAI

You're going to have to link that.

[osuka]

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

Just chiming in to say that Osuka definitely does this as town so it's probably NAI

You're going to have to link that.

I

think

she means this

[Nauci]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

What made you start suspecting osuka

He’s just really dense and he doesn’t like how I talk, I take it

You realize you holding this position makes you look really bad if Truth flips Scum, right? Like, you have a bad case of a double standard here. On the one hand, you say Truth is stupid, but for some reason you feel content to otherwise leave the slot alone in terms of actually giving a Town/Scum read on that slot. On the other hand, you want to PL me because... why, exactly? Because I pushed you for your non-committal, complaining that doesn't help solve the game at ALL? No one can see your notes, bro. Why do you expect us to just believe you are Town here. But far be it from anyone else to push you. Oh no, can't have that, can we?

So your stance on Truth is Scummy since you haven't actually said anything about that slot in terms of Scum/Town except to say they are incompetent - meanwhile, me, who is trying their hardest to sort the claim while providing other takes on the game as well you want to PL for having one stance you disagree with, namely, a push on you for doing nothing but complaining? Yeah, inconsistent isn't the half of it.

You know how I kept trying to explain to people in our last game that your viewpoints make perfect sense to you in your head, but you're not able to get them out fully in your posts so that people are misinterpreting you or don't understand you frequently? You know how you wish that people would be more intellectually charitable to you about your points?

Why don't you apply that to how you read osuka's posts. Osuka's narrative makes sense from their perspective based on how he has read your posts. You fully contradicted yourself within 5 posts of saying you pushed osuka, and are now completely misconstruing what they're saying. You have extremely high confidence in your opinions even though most players won't agree with your premises or your conclusions and it makes your posting frequently anti-town. This isn't the first or last time people have talked about policy-lynching you and it's not happening repeatedly because every single one of these players is completely insane in the same way. Take a breather and re-evaluate the last 2 pages with more intellectual charity in mind.

[LicketyQuickety]

I

think

she means this

I'll wait for her to answer.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

What made you start suspecting osuka

He’s just really dense and he doesn’t like how I talk, I take it

You realize you holding this position makes you look really bad if Truth flips Scum, right? Like, you have a bad case of a double standard here. On the one hand, you say Truth is stupid, but for some reason you feel content to otherwise leave the slot alone in terms of actually giving a Town/Scum read on that slot. On the other hand, you want to PL me because... why, exactly? Because I pushed you for your non-committal, complaining that doesn't help solve the game at ALL? No one can see your notes, bro. Why do you expect us to just believe you are Town here. But far be it from anyone else to push you. Oh no, can't have that, can we?

So your stance on Truth is Scummy since you haven't actually said anything about that slot in terms of Scum/Town except to say they are incompetent - meanwhile, me, who is trying their hardest to sort the claim while providing other takes on the game as well you want to PL for having one stance you disagree with, namely, a push on you for doing nothing but complaining? Yeah, inconsistent isn't the half of it.

You know how I kept trying to explain to people in our last game that your viewpoints make perfect sense to you in your head, but you're not able to get them out fully in your posts so that people are misinterpreting you or don't understand you frequently? You know how you wish that people would be more intellectually charitable to you about your points?

Why don't you apply that to how you read osuka's posts. Osuka's narrative makes sense from their perspective based on how he has read your posts. You fully contradicted yourself within 5 posts of saying you pushed osuka, and are now completely misconstruing what they're saying. You have extremely high confidence in your opinions even though most players won't agree with your premises or your conclusions and it makes your posting frequently anti-town. This isn't the first or last time people have talked about policy-lynching you and it's not happening repeatedly because every single one of these players is completely insane in the same way. Take a breather and re-evaluate the last 2 pages with more intellectual charity in mind.

Don't care about this until you link where osuka has been OTT.

[Nauci]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

What would you call it besides a push? I did say it was a push, but the fact that you focus on my wording instead of my actions tells a whole lot more about you then me. It was pretty clear that I put pressure on you. call it a push, call it pressure, call it Scum hunting, doesn't really matter what you call it. It's pretty clear you keep majoring on the minors. First it was my word choice, now it's something about how you personally categorize stuff, meanwhile, you HAVEN'T actually put any pressure, pushed, Scum hunted really anyone in this game at all except me based on a technicality that is beyond weak. For lack of a better term, it's a bad push.

VOTE: Osuka

For the contradiction of pushing me and not Truth.

and there it is, the classic scum meltdown into omgus

there's a lot to unpack here. in order: you didn't even cast shade on me. You literally just said "this post is kinda scummy and over the top" and proceeded to do ~literally fucking nothing~ about it, other than using it as leverage to defend yourself vs truth's own pseudo-push.

"the minors" are where people who are at least halfway competent slip in this game. the way you say things often reveals much more than the things you're actually saying (or omitting). Even if completely ignoring the fact that I actually did exactly what you suggested in 191 (i.e., pushed someone else - just happened to be you), i find it very difficult to believe that the sequence in 195-198-201-202 topped off by 208 comes from town

you got overly defensive way too quick and tried to spin the situation as if i was the offending party, when in fact you very directly contradicted yourself after making a very noncommittal poke at me to use it elsewhere in the game, then flipping right back to whatever version of it was most convenient for you at the time

Unfortunately I don't find QuickLogic™ or QuickDefensiveness™ alignment indicative because I've only played with Town!Quick and he's always like this

[Nauci]

I

think

she means this

I'll wait for her to answer.

That is, in fact, what I was referring to. Specifically, day 2 of that game.

[Nauci]

Where did everyone else go? Can y'all not just use that 1v1 as cover to sit back and scumlurk?

Glitch and others have a lot of questions to answer.

[LicketyQuickety]

I

think

she means this

I'll wait for her to answer.

That is, in fact, what I was referring to. Specifically, day 2 of that game.

Okay, well I skimmed their ISO there and I saw him be just as prickly but I didn't see anything I would consider OTT.

[Nauci]

Don't care about this until you link where osuka has been OTT.

Dude what is with you and literally posting just to say you are ignoring my posts this game

Like wtf is the point of doing that repeatedly

[Nauci]

I didn't see anything I would consider OTT.

Just to be clear for everyone else, the "nothing OTT" game that Quick purportedly just skimmed involved Osuka and Formerfish going so completely over the top with mocking 2 players' posts (and themselves) that 7/9 players in the game replaced out then and there, and at least 1 sitewide ban was given.

[LicketyQuickety]

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

This is what I am talking about specifically.

[Nauci]

I didn't see anything I would consider OTT.

Just to be clear for everyone else, the "nothing OTT" game that Quick purportedly just skimmed involved Osuka and Formerfish going so completely over the top with mocking 2 players' posts (and those players themselves) that 7/9 players in the game replaced out then and there, and at least 1 sitewide ban was given.

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

I didn't see anything I would consider OTT.

Just to be clear for everyone else, the "nothing OTT" game that Quick purportedly just skimmed involved Osuka and Formerfish going so completely over the top with mocking 2 players' posts (and those players themselves) that 7/9 players in the game replaced out then and there, and at least 1 sitewide ban was given.

EBWOP

Right. osuka had a lot more agency and caring about solving the game in that game from what I could see. Here he doesn't actually push anything until someone tells him he isn't doing anything and then he pushes the person who told him that.

[LicketyQuickety]

The long and short of it is that I don't think osuka actually thinks I am Scum. They put a "high confidence" read out there with one thing they say and in another thing they say they call what they are doing a push. Not sure I really get the logic or consistency there. On the one hand, he's "sure" I am Scum and on the other he thinks I am a good person to push to get more out of. Not sure I really get the second iteration there as I have pretty much been an open book this game.

[Nauci]

Freddie, why shouldn't you die today?

you’ve said yourself that I’m a bad player many times, so Going off that, how likely is it that I’m strategic enough to be scum? Is that a chance you’re willing to take when Deciding whether you should risk voting another lynch? Are you taking that into consideration, or are you happy with Just anyone hanging....

uh sorry i seem to have missed this post

this is probably the worst post in the thread so far. Everyone in this thread is now slightly more brain damaged than they were before having read this pile of dogshit, dumpster fire of a post

but like holy fuckiNG BALLSACK HAVE YOU OUTDONE YOURSELVES

question: is it common to suspect someone is lying who confirms themselves as town like i did? i guess i answered my own question by observing that im still under scrutiny even though i confirmed my role.

and as if the rest of the post wasn't bad enough, this is the shit-cherry on top of the garbage-cake that is this post. like if the post before this one gave everyone brain damage, this one is certain to cause everyone in a 50-mile radius and all of their children to lose all higher brain function

to be clear: the only thing youve confirmed is that you absolutely need to be lynched today. I'm deathtunneling you until either of us is on the dead thread

osuka, you are clearly being a dick and making it personal. stop being a dick. and yes, i mean that you as a person are being a dick, outside the context of this game.

also, at this point freddie is 100% town. i know her well enough to know that she's being honest here. she hasnt quite grasped this game, but shes trying. maybe constructive criticism or feedback would be better for both your emotional wellbeing, hers, and the game. i guess you're entitled to be a dick if you want though.

i guess ill effort tomorrow and say some things.

whatever you say - i find it nearly impossible to convey how bad some of this content is in any other way. feel free to chime in with some vocabulary you think is not dick-worthy and i'll make sure to read whatever you come up with

freddie is not 100% town and neither are you.

as an addendum, my emotional wellbeing is, in fact, untouched by whatever she could possibly say in this thread

have i lost my mind? is this real life? I think my reality is collapsing

can a collapsing mind objectively observe its own collapse? and if something is only real if it is objectively observable, then is my mind really collapsing? or has my mind never been real?

Just a few of the posts which happened in that game

[Nauci]

The long and short of it is that I don't think osuka actually thinks I am Scum. They put a "high confidence" read out there with one thing they say and in another thing they say they call what they are doing a push. Not sure I really get the logic or consistency there. On the one hand, he's "sure" I am Scum and on the other he thinks I am a good person to push to get more out of. Not sure I really get the second iteration there as I have pretty much been an open book this game.

...Are you saying it's logically inconsistent to scum-read someone and to pressure that person for more content to evaluate at the same time?

[LicketyQuickety]

The long and short of it is that I don't think osuka actually thinks I am Scum. They put a "high confidence" read out there with one thing they say and in another thing they say they call what they are doing a push. Not sure I really get the logic or consistency there. On the one hand, he's "sure" I am Scum and on the other he thinks I am a good person to push to get more out of. Not sure I really get the second iteration there as I have pretty much been an open book this game.

...Are you saying it's logically inconsistent to scum-read someone and to pressure that person for more content to evaluate at the same time?

No. I'm saying his stance on me doesn't seem like he actually SRs me. He MIGHT be doing this for personal reasons. I won't rule that out. But I just don't think he thinks I am Scum here. I think he might have gotten upset that I said he wasn't doing anything and took it out on me if he's Town here, but ultimately, he just doesn't actually BELIEVE that I am Scum. That's what I have a problem with.

Again, it IS a reason to SR someone, what I am saying here, but without a kind of nuanced view of them as a person, it's just a general tell and not a specific one to him that people who in pushing someone don't actually believe they are Scum are Scum themselves. Still, I see nothing about self harm in what you quoted from him. The question becomes if he would shade himself here (negatively) as Scum by talking about self harm masking the fact that he doesn't actually believe what he is saying or not.

[Youtube]https://youtu.be/DtV0jOHHy-k[/Youtube]

Personally, I don't think he is deranged enough to self harm himself because I generally see him more as a sadist than a masochist, which leans me in the direction that he is Scum.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

So I haven’t fully finished the read but wanted to comment about LicketyQuickety going after the miller/mason claim. In 84, you mention the two possibilities for going after Truth’s claim. I would argue it’s #1 and he’s new vs #2. Post 52 should tell you that. Truth saying he has his mason buddies coming forward to verify his claim, that would look horrible coming from scum. If scum!Truth is fake claiming miller/mason then his buddies would be scum. To 1) be scum and suggest his partners will verify his claim is one helluva gambit if ANYONE of them were to be lynched, you could easily link them together 2) to not know how that would sound saying he has buddies coming forward with players being skeptical of his claim and not being aware of the optics of this. This tells me that he hasn’t even considered how scummy it would be to say “hey guys. I have a private chat and will show guilty to a cop’s investigation, but don’t worry cause I’ve got people in that private chat to verify I’m town.” That sounds scummy af and Truth seems to just not have even considered the optics. Basically his 52 reads to me like someone being like I’m confirmed town cause my buddies will back me up without even considering scum could make the same exact claim with scum buddies backing that fake claim up. As of right now, I hafta accept his claim here (at least for now).

This is a good assessment

Why is it good though? I feel like he just wrote a block of text to say "scum wouldn't do what Truth did!"