Newbie 2010: Pride Month | Game Over

[Raya36]

UNVOTE: Raya36
I'm most probably wrong about Raya I guess.

Preferably I'd vote in {Hectic, Homura}

Wait why were you pushing me again? Was it just because of my read on Ghost?

This reads like you were choosing a side in the GhostVme 1v1 and a wagon on me never gained any traction. I think what's giving me that feeling is the word choice in the first sentence. You don't sound at all convinced I'm town yet suddenly you don't want to push me or anything anymore. "probably" "I guess"

VOTE: Gibus

[Raya36]

But you still didn't explain why those 2 players are your preferred votes

And if they are your preferred votes, why don't you vote there

I feel good about the rest of the playerlist.
VOTE: Hectic

So you don't necessarily think Hectic is scum? You just think everyone else is town and PoE?

[Raya36]

@gibus: why Hectic over Homura there? Is it just because Hectic already has a vote?

I'm reasonable sure Elmo was scum. Her alt is Red Panda, and she was relatively active on there while she completely lurked it out here after we started accusing her.

This doesn't feel right. Elmo was relatively active in their scum games (the ones I've seen at least, Red Panda's 2007 included) and they lurked before the wagon was even formed on them. There is a line between unmotivated!Elmo and scum!Elmo doing this, and I'm pretty sure it's the former. It looks like a bad faith push.

I'm curious to see how Homura's reads will progress after D1 since there isn't much in their ISO, I prefer Hectic right now.

I feel like scum wouldn't try to push something so weak? That's obviously not a good scumtell and I don't think scum!Hectic would try to push that as scum.

[Raya36]

So a quick summary:

Homura = Null
gibus = Scum
Hectic = Townlean?
M2H = Slight Scumlean because of Ghost but I'm agreeing with M2H with Gibus being scum so I have to be wrong on one of them.
Snowblaze = Town
piisirrational = Town
Raya36 = TOP TOWN
Umlaut = Town
Nauci = Townlean

[gibus]

I thought I was mostly wrong about you because it didn't gain any traction. Why is that scummy?

[Umlaut]

Nauci, where have you seen my play and decided I'm so good? I don't deny I'm pretty decent at playing scum, but if we've been in a game together I don't recall it.

[Raya36]

I thought I was mostly wrong about you because it didn't gain any traction. Why is that scummy?

Because you pushed me and when it didn't gain any traction you hopped off. That's not how town plays. Town keeps pressuring until they actually think the person they thought was scum is town.

[Hectic]

Gibus, this isn't a particularly new or unconventional tell. It's the classic elitell. If a player is in multiple games and is active in all of them except for 1, that game is usually their scum game. It's surprisingly effective. I don't like how you're trying to frame that as a bad faith push.

You're saying she could just be unmotivated but that's the point of the tell, in general people like playing scum less and have less energy for it.

I want to vote in [gibus, Nauci].

[Hectic]

Why are so many people lurking? For a 17 player game with 4 scum, this is basically dead.

It’s not 17p... it’s 9p. 7t 2m. Derp clear denied.

7 traitors, 2 mafia? I'm not an expert in setup design but I don't think that sounds fair to town. I may be wrong though, because I'm no expert in setup design.

Luckily for you I'm an expert in setup design and this is actually extremely town sided

And how would that work, Raya?

Sounds to me like you're a traitor trying to make us not worry about you.

[Hectic]

However, I get the feeling Nauci going for gibus over me is town-indicative. Turtle and gibus are voting me, and Umlait and Raya have recently expressed some paranoia over me, so I could be a viable lynch. But instead of going for me who has Nauci as my top scumread - a high priority to remove from the game for scum!her - she goes for gibus instead.

VOTE: gibus

I'll be taking my hat and boots back.

[Hectic]

Hn
Aya
Swan
Icuna
Norati
Amu
Talum
Busi

Is it really this again, Busi? Would you try to lynch me day 1 after last game? I think you're more likely to do it as scum than town if given the opportunity. That's my worry.

[Raya36]

Why are so many people lurking? For a 17 player game with 4 scum, this is basically dead.

It’s not 17p... it’s 9p. 7t 2m. Derp clear denied.

7 traitors, 2 mafia? I'm not an expert in setup design but I don't think that sounds fair to town. I may be wrong though, because I'm no expert in setup design.

Luckily for you I'm an expert in setup design and this is actually extremely town sided

And how would that work, Raya?

Sounds to me like you're a traitor trying to make us not worry about you.

Well you see. We lynch scum first day then its 7v1. Then scum kills us then its 6v1. Then we kill the second scum which is a win. Very easy for town.

[Hectic]

Ah, I see; that makes sense. Happy to be lynched for the misrep.

[Homura]

I thought I was mostly wrong about you because it didn't gain any traction. Why is that scummy?

Why does that mean you were wrong on Raya?

[Homura]

scumlean on Umlaut (Umlaut is a pretty darn good player so I haven't seen anything here that isn't, IMO, a "towny" or "scumhunting" post which would be easily imitable by Scumlaut)

Is there anything concrete substantiating your scumread of Umlaut other than paranoia?

[Homura]

Typically I'd create a finalized readlist during EoD to table my thoughts, but my theory makes putting down all my cards anti-town and my play hasn't yet progressed to the stage where I feel comfortable gambit-playing.

For now, I'm putting my no-lynchpool as {Snowblaze, pi, M2H}. Everyone else is fair game.

[Raya36]

I thought I was mostly wrong about you because it didn't gain any traction. Why is that scummy?

Why does that mean you were wrong on Raya?

This is what I was trying to get at. It makes no sense

[Raya36]

Why is M2H in your pool?

[Raya36]

^ that's @homura if it isn't clear

[piisirrational]

I don't think I ever scumread Elmo. I'm getting town pings from your posts and I like your explanation for Elmo's actions.

I initially disagreed with Snow's read on Raya but I realised it would have been a bad trade off to be scum motivated. That's why I flip flopped on their slot.

This doesn't make sense. You're flipflopping on Raya's slot because you feel that someone who's townreading them is now town instead of scum? Feels like you should be flipflopping on someone under the consideration of their own posts, not based on who's townreading them.

[Nauci]

Nauci, where have you seen my play and decided I'm so good? I don't deny I'm pretty decent at playing scum, but if we've been in a game together I don't recall it.

I feel like we were in a game together years ago but that's not the point

The point is that you've been around and active for years and therefore are unlikely to do newbscum things like over worry about optics as either alignment

[Nauci]

scumlean on Umlaut (Umlaut is a pretty darn good player so I haven't seen anything here that isn't, IMO, a "towny" or "scumhunting" post which would be easily imitable by Scumlaut)

Is there anything concrete substantiating your scumread of Umlaut other than paranoia?

Not really

My gut just feels not good about him but I have absolutely no idea why

[Nauci]

UNVOTE: Gibus

Not liking how quickly people jumped onto the Gibus wagon and how unceremoniously Hectic put him at L-1 (I think my math is right but I am on mobile).

I'll give him time to answer people's questions.

[Hectic]

Whoops, didn't realise.

[Homura]

Why is M2H in your pool?

I considered their predecessor town for the most part and feel their own ISO was generally towny; the more relevant reason is that they're less involved in the associatives surrounding the two biggest wagons, along with Snow and pi.