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[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also considering whether my TL on Mavsfan was made in error, but i don't think town!him wouldn't be unable to scumread me since he doesn't really know anything about my meta.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm also considering whether my TL on Mavsfan was made in error, but i don't think town!him wouldn't be unable to scumread me since he doesn't really know anything about my meta.

I think mav's is also Town. His narrative is pretty consistent.

[Nauci]

Don't know why i'm getting shaded for Osuka agreeing with me anyway. Here's a news flash, i don't scumread Osuka. My go to scumreads with the assumption of GL!Town right now are Nauci and Glitch.

Are you town reading Osuka?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, more like null ATM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My townreads are Quick, Truth, Mavsfan, Po^7 mainly. Light TL on CSF too.

[LicketyQuickety]

My townreads are Quick, Truth, Mavsfan, Po^7 mainly. Light TL on CSF too.

Why are you TRing popo?

[Looker]

At what point is Candy Shop expected to play?

[Deimos27]

Official Vote Count 1.07

The work of St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) is studied particularly in Philosophy of Religion and Theology.
He gave five arguments for God: from "first mover", causation, contingency, degree, and design.

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Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

popopopopopopo

(2): Truth, Glitch

Nauci

(2): Cat Scratch Fever, NorwegianboyEE

osuka

(2): Nauci, GuiltyLion

GuiltyLion

(1): Looker

LicketyQuickety

(1): osuka

Cat Scratch Fever

(1): popopopopopopo

Glitch

(1): LicketyQuickety

NorwegianboyEE

(1): mavsfan41

No Lynch

(1): Candy Shop

Not Voting

(1): NDMath

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-01 18:16:10).

Mod notes:

• NDMath has replaced Rozyroz.

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[Deimos27]

Candy Shop¹

has been prodded. He has [expired] to post before I seek replacement.

[Nauci]

Oof this town is in bad shape with people so all over the place

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

@quick: since no one so currently voting with you to create a real sense of pressure, why don't you move to any of your other scum reads which have more traction?

@Mod

popopopopopopo is voting Cat Scratch Fever as of 678

Fixed, thanks.
~Deimos

[Nauci]

@looker you seem to have stopped interesting with GL and have been suspecting other players since your vote. Has your read on him changed since then, or is he still your top scum read?

@NDMath you said you were fully caught up, right? Why are you still not voting?

[mavsfan41]

@mavs What do you make of Osuka?

Pending some more research on NBEE, I think that we're more likely to hit scum there than NBEE for aforementioned WIFOM reasons. Do you disagree?

@GuiltyLion you were in that newbie game with Osuka, so what's your take on my read?

I haven’t really thought much about osuka since my 483. I should re-evaluate that but osuka/Quickety lead me to believing osuka was town. How/why he goes after Quickety seemed fine. It’s not unlike what Blair got him for in our most recent game together and I read that interaction the same exact way. But I should re-evaluate that spot when I get off work and have more time later. As for your 844, I can see that narrative and will take a look back through and see if I read him the same way you are.

@Quickety: Speaking of going back and re-reading, I hated Glitch’s wall post, ESPECIALLY his fluff answer for why he voted you. Don’t know why I abandoned that read, but he is another one who deserves another look. Homework for tonight, osuka and Glitch.

So my argument is that scum!Norweigan after pushing GuiltyLion on TWO separate occasions realized he wasn’t going to get a mislynch then rapidly picked some other target in Nauci off your post,

I townread Quick. Why is me listening to my townread and considering whether i might be wrong scummy?

I’m definitely not explaining my case well, but it’s not just listening to Quickety. It’s how you pivoted from GuiltyLion to Nauci after being so adamant about GuiltyLion being scum. It’s how you dropped GuiltyLion as a SR to pursue Nauci as fast as you did. And it’s how you didn’t vote there until two players seemed okay with Nauci as if trying to make sure you weren’t going to look scummy voting Nauci.

Here’s the timeline I’m seeing -> votes GuiltyLion -> multi-page battle -> still thinks GuiltyLion is scum -> multi-page battle -> asked by me if you still think GuiltyLion is scum after the second multi-page battle where you say yes -> Quickety is like, nah, here’s a list of people to go after instead -> you pick one and have a few post why they’re scummy -> osuka is like sure, they seem scummy -> votes Nauci.

Also, I would like to add that: after your second multi-page battle with GuiltyLion, I actually read GuiltyLion as town and I was previously reading Nauci as town. So you dug in on GuiltyLion after the second battle (when he became a town for me) then pivoted to another town read of mine. I’d be lying if I said that didn’t factor into my SR of you.

[Nauci]

It’s not unlike what Blair got him for in our most recent game together and I read that interaction the same exact way.

I don't think that's the game I was in so can you explain this?

Unless you were referring to Blair v Quick here?

[Nauci]

I'd love to hear from GuiltyLion about those tunnel pivots from Norwegian—it feels so bizarre to me that maybe it's just his style as town because scum would surely be self conscious about the optics around that.

[mavsfan41]

It’s not unlike what Blair got him for in our most recent game together and I read that interaction the same exact way.

I don't think that's the game I was in so can you explain this?

Unless you were referring to Blair v Quick here?

Yes. It was how Blair votes Quick after Quick said he wasn’t mysterious and then posted all mysteriously and Blair attacked him on that and multi-page battle ensued.

Sub out Blair for osuka and I can see a parallel where osuka goes after Quickety cause Quickety says he pushes osuka and then says he never pushed osuka (or maybe it was the other way around, forget the order).

So that’s how I initially read the osuka/Quickety interaction.

[Truth]

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

I still don't like him. My suspects are po, osuka, and maybe Glitch. Do you want me to vote for osuka again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here’s the timeline I’m seeing -> votes GuiltyLion -> multi-page battle -> still thinks GuiltyLion is scum -> multi-page battle -> asked by me if you still think GuiltyLion is scum after the second multi-page battle where you say yes -> Quickety is like, nah, here’s a list of people to go after instead -> you pick one and have a few post why they’re scummy -> osuka is like sure, they seem scummy -> votes Nauci.

I might be hard headed at times. But i’m also a realist. Since there’s not enough support for lynching my main scumread it’s natural to switch somewhere else. Otherwise i’d be no better than Candy Shop. Just wasting away their slot by no lynching like a noob.

[osuka]

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

I still don't like him. My suspects are po, osuka, and maybe Glitch. Do you want me to vote for osuka again?

This is getting a little ridiculous

[osuka]

@nauci I’m being lazy and I need to stop being lazy tbh. I’ll put more effort in tonight after work, but if you wanna see a lazy town game from me look at the large normal I played a while back (world record mafia - large 213?)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here’s the timeline I’m seeing -> votes GuiltyLion -> multi-page battle -> still thinks GuiltyLion is scum -> multi-page battle -> asked by me if you still think GuiltyLion is scum after the second multi-page battle where you say yes -> Quickety is like, nah, here’s a list of people to go after instead -> you pick one and have a few post why they’re scummy -> osuka is like sure, they seem scummy -> votes Nauci.

I might be hard headed at times. But i’m also a realist. Since there’s not enough support for lynching my main scumread it’s natural to switch somewhere else. Otherwise i’d be no better than Candy Shop. Just wasting away their slot by no lynching like a noob.

If you didn't like the fact that i'm now voting Nauci that's fine. But don't give me that "Omg you changed your vote from your main scumread that's SOOO scummy!" bullshit.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think I'm nearing prod range so this is a prodge

my husband probably broke his foot yesterday so rl is busy right now

[Nauci]

Here’s the timeline I’m seeing -> votes GuiltyLion -> multi-page battle -> still thinks GuiltyLion is scum -> multi-page battle -> asked by me if you still think GuiltyLion is scum after the second multi-page battle where you say yes -> Quickety is like, nah, here’s a list of people to go after instead -> you pick one and have a few post why they’re scummy -> osuka is like sure, they seem scummy -> votes Nauci.

I might be hard headed at times. But i’m also a realist. Since there’s not enough support for lynching my main scumread it’s natural to switch somewhere else. Otherwise i’d be no better than Candy Shop. Just wasting away their slot by no lynching like a noob.

If you didn't like the fact that i'm now voting Nauci that's fine. But don't give me that "Omg you changed your vote from your main scumread that's SOOO scummy!" bullshit.

I don't think that's what he was saying either of the times he's explained his scum read on you. This seems like a clumsy misrep to me.

[Nauci]

@nauci I’m being lazy and I need to stop being lazy tbh. I’ll put more effort in tonight after work, but if you wanna see a lazy town game from me look at the large normal I played a while back (world record mafia - large 213?)

Okay but even if you don't have the bandwidth to effort post about everyone, what if you started with just explaining what you meant by "weird" and why

[Nauci]

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

I still don't like him. My suspects are po, osuka, and maybe Glitch. Do you want me to vote for osuka again?

That would be more useful than Town continuing to go in 7 different directions and not applying real pressure anywhere

Also I think Osuka is scum, so yes

[GuiltyLion]

GL and popopo: is this sort of tunneling typical for NBEE?

that's the weird thing, I don't think I saw him do this in either of our games together. He definitely didn't play this way as scum in Nomination Mafia when we were teamed, that's why I have a bunch of hesitation about continuing to scumread him. At a point it kinda crossed the line for me from 'possibly scum playing defensive' to 'seems pretty unlikely he'd be this aggressive when he knows how bad it'd look if I flipped'.

One thing I also noticed on rereading our town game together, he did mention off-handedly that he was trying to play more chill in that game, which does fit with me remembering him being more chill in that game. And I suspect since it was a Newbie game he was also making an effort to be patient/calm to begin with, I know I certainly do that.

so idk, I don't think I can genuinely scumread him on meta and if anything it's ever so slightly townish to me.