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GLITCH!!!In post 1260, Blair wrote:What makes you think I care if you vote me right now?
Stop trying to start a flame war. Anyone who believes I haven't responded to what you're saying only needs to scroll up. I have been abundantly clear that I think the osuka wagon is on town and spooled up suspiciously quickly, the NDMath wagon is reasonable, and CSF is likely scum.
Norwe I still lean town on, but his role in the osuka wagon gives me pause.
Quick is probably town but definitely not playing to his win condition at the moment, he has some axe to grind and that's fine but I'm done with him until something relevant comes up because his replies to me are 10% content 90% personal attacks. And that's being generous.
You said NOTHING about GLITCH!!! The Scummiest person in the game right now!!!
Your discredit shows you have ulterior motives AND you HAVEN'T actually addressed a single point I have made. Instead, you have sidestepped the issue completely.
You made zero mention on how caught up you are, you made zero mention of keeping the game going based on getting better reads on inactive slots, zero argument for how there are diminishing returns on the gamestate when content isn't in a state of diminishing returns.
You also have VERY LITTLE to show for your read on Cat considering you are ready to consolidate wagons for lynch. I've demonstrated Glitch's case on Cat is right shit. You are just pushing the "second to best counter wagon". Cat's content is GOOD. I wouldn't lynch that slot today and I don't think if you are Town that you would be pushing that slot either. They truthfully have better content then you do in this game.
You have altogether completely stopped Scum hunting OR you were never Scum hunting in the first place. You SAY you don't want to end the Day early, but when I press you on this, you try and turn it around on me and say I shouldn't care about ending the Day early. And this reasoning is based on some pretty shitty assumptions about how I play this game based on where I have played??? Get your head examined because this is borderline retarded. I've been here since 2015 and I magically care about the game producing information overload based on me playing on MU and other sites with 48 hour phases where there are a lot more Posts/Hour? Go back and read that last sentence again with the knowledge that those sites rarely if ever actually end day early regardless of how much content is actually produced in them D1. I know it and Blair knows it due to her familiarity with MU: Those sites with 48 hour Day phases almost always feel like there isn't enough content to make an informed lynch on D1. And I can't stress this enough... BLAIR KNOWS that games with 48 hour phases need all the help they can get on D1 to produce content. So IF Blair is assuming that I come from those sites, then Blair knows that I would literally NEVER be in favor of ending D1 early. AND Blair has had every opportunity to tell me and the rest of the game that consolidating wagons doesn't mean we are actually ending the day. But Blair remains quiet on that because she knows that when you consolidate wagons too early it's almost always on Town.
SO NO, THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY AN ANSWER TO WHAT I WAS INQUIRING ABOUT.
Blairs push on Cat is beyond horrible - especially when Cat has demonstrated a high level of competence for their reads and the development there in.
Also, BLAIR SAID NOTHING OF GLITCH WHO IS OBJECTIVELY THE SCUMMIEST PERSON IN THE GAME! Why? Their reasons for voting Cat are as smelly as Gehenna and when pressed on this, they double down and don't reevaluate, their initial vote on me felt like newb Town, but it was literally so bad that they had to say, "oops, did I do that?" None of the reasons that Glitch has given for their SRs and votes have even been with a competent understanding of the game we call Mafia which is literally the only reason people are NOT voting there. Because people think it's TSTBS. Guess what? Some people really ARE that bad at this game that they would give reasons that are not even valid to vote someone and when proven wrong they literally just stop posting. You can't make this up! People are literally thinking to themselves, "There is no way they are that bad as Scum that they would give those reasons and stick with them." But they are actually that bad. Anyone with a Mafia IQ of 85 could be able to tell you that Glitch is never getting NKed.
Which brings me to the real meat of this story.. Why exactly IS Blair content with the gamestate and doesn't mind consolidating wagons while they are not caught up? It's because Scum are currently in control of the game. Upon reflection, Truth is probably Scum with Blair. Blair hasn't weighed in at all on Truth's claim and that means that Blair feels perfectly fine with the claim. Why would Blair, a 10 year vet, be perfectly okay with a miller mason claim? Wouldn't you expect Blair to at the very least do a bit of poking around with that claim to get some sort of way to measure how the claim stacks up on it's own? Oh, wait, Blair isn't caught up in this game at all. So why exactly do they feel perfectly comfortable with trying to get a wagon on Cat, who has demonstrated a level of competence of this game that Glitch couldn't dream of? This whole, "This is fine" montra that Blair has found themselves in shows a distinct apathy that is just prevalent enough to push to end the Day while not really feeling like they actually need to push SRs. This sort of, "let's get ready to end the day.. I know Cat has good content, but I honestly just want to consolidate wagons so we don't have to worry about no-lynching." Meanwhile, Norway keeps getting Scummier and Scummier with every post. He got a lot of rope for his tunnel on GL, but now that GL has demonstrated pretty clear Town mindset I am wondering if Norway was simply putting up a strong front so he would get TR on D1 so he can push his weight around later in the game with the understanding that people are not going to change their first blush impressions of them as being too bold to be Scum. At first, Norway was sheeping me in a pretty obvious way. Now that I have him as solid Town he starts to seriously deviate from my reads when he KNOWS I have some pretty potent early game TRs. It also makes sense that he would try and make a splash and get an early TR from me so he doesn't have to worry about me calling for his lynch when there is a claim and a CC outside of himself and I still am calling for his lynch. This happened exactly as I have stated it in our last completed game together. Another option is that osuka is Scum and Blair is trying to distract from a wagon on osuka without actually overtly saying they think osuka is Scum. That would mean Blair is chainsawing Cat at this point which seems to be the most rational motive for Blair at this point.
TL;DR: It makes sense that Blair is totally fine with consolidating the wagons and ending the Day at this point because as Scum she would know her Scum buddies are in no real danger and Blair wants to keep it that way. That leads me to thinking Cat is most certainly Town based on Blair chainsawing Cat to try and get a shot at lynching a good Town player D1 instead of Scummy Scum fuck osuka who admits I have a pretty rock solid case against him at this point and his content has dropped severely since I gave my psychoanalytic read on him. I also have outside reasons for suspecting Norway as he initially was sheeping me hard but then ended up having pretty much the exact opposite reads that I have. Glitch remains someone I would lynch if for nothing else then to see who if anyone else would vote there given there are very reasonable motives to get that slot out of the game as Town.
P-Edit: Blair was saying to consolidate wagons to Cat, osuka, and ND. Suddenly Blair has a change of heart for literally zero reason stated whatsoever. This is Scum and I hope people can see that.
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1. Yes, I am actually aware that there are multiple players in the game. My point here is you were voting for one scumread while spending almost all of your time focusing on another.In post 1268, GuiltyLion wrote:I think osuka is scum, and have given several reasons why I'm voting there.
The funny thing about mafia is that there are multiple players on the scum team! I often have several scumreads despite having tragically only one vote. I suspected NDMath and was in the process of sorting him, and for most of these quotes you posted there was no wagon on him while there was a wagon on osuka and so there was no benefit to switching. Also, several of them areIn post 1262, Blair wrote:Spoiler: GuiltyLion Immediately Spends a Bunch of Posts Pushing NDMath Instead of Osukadirect responsesto posts he made with the intent of sorting/interrogating him, that's not me "pushing" him.
This is actually a very important post and you're completely misrepping me. I am quite skeptical now that NDMath is scum, primarily because of 986, and that's exactly why I made this post. That's just not a post I really see coming from scum, I find it the most town-indicative thing he's done.In post 1262, Blair wrote:Spoiler: GuiltyLion Appears to Become Conscious of This, and Tries to Explain Why He Isn't Voting For NDMath
What's your thought on 986? And further, what do you actually think is my scum agenda here? Is NDMath my buddy and I'm just drilling/1v1ing with him earlier in D1 for ~associatives~ but then deciding not to vote him which completely negates the point of a bus? Or is he town, in which case I'm deciding not to vote him just when his mislynch is becoming really easy to justify voting/pushing? Please explain what you see going on there from scum!GL perspective.
2. There are a couple possible interpretations. Yeah, NDmath could be your partner and you were distancing from him without actually voting for him. He could also be town with osuka as your scum partner, whom you voted for the sake of optics while not actively pushing him and shading a different slot. Neither are unimaginable at all, and while I understand you not wanting to devote much effort to understanding why someone would scumread you, I don't think it's hard to guess I was suggesting one of those two scenarios.
You could also be town, but that leaves the question of why a townie would park his vote on one player then immediately switch gears and zero in on someone else.
The fact that several of those posts were responses is valid, but you choose what you want to respond to and talk about so it still boils down to a question of why you would devote so much energy to NDmath and so little to osuka whilst voting for osuka and not NDmath.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- GuiltyLion
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Hey I'm sorry too, I prob got too fired up again there, I understand being paranoid of me and I can tolerate it to a point (we had a good run of 20 or so pages there just now haha) but please just stop shading me solely for not posting and I'll be alright.In post 1275, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I can forgive you for the awful opening, it's just that it's made me perhaps a bit unnecessarily paranoid about your slot.
Sorry.
If you want, you can shade me for not responding to specific posts if they've happened after I have already posted, but srsly I promise I'm doing my best to play this game at least once per day and usually a little bit more than that and that's why I get tilted by people suggesting I'm somehow not playing. I'll be around tonight too."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"- Blair
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lol at Quick saying I voted for GuiltyLion for "no stated reason whatsoever"“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- Blair
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This is an outright lie. I haven't been quiet on that. I unequivocally stated multiple times that consolidating wagons doesn't mean we're ending the day early.In post 1276, LicketyQuickety wrote:AND Blair has had every opportunity to tell me and the rest of the game that consolidating wagons doesn't mean we are actually ending the day. But Blair remains quiet on that because she knows that when you consolidate wagons too early it's almost always on Town.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- Blair
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I don't agree with this assessment. Neither do you.In post 1276, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, BLAIR SAID NOTHING OF GLITCH WHO IS OBJECTIVELY THE SCUMMIEST PERSON IN THE GAME!“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- NorwegianboyEE
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Because we are not lynching the mason claim today.In post 1276, LicketyQuickety wrote:Why would Blair, a 10 year vet, be perfectly okay with a miller mason claim?
As for why I haven't "poked around" with the claim, Truth has said too much about it already, and it's been poked enough for today.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- NorwegianboyEE
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Now, ask me whatever it is you've been wanting to ask me about Glitch.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- Blair
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I've overtly said osuka is town. Multiple times.In post 1276, LicketyQuickety wrote:Another option is that osuka is Scum and Blair is trying to distract from a wagon on osuka without actually overtly saying they think osuka is Scum.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- LicketyQuickety
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Yes.In post 1286, Blair wrote:
I've overtly said osuka is town. Multiple times.In post 1276, LicketyQuickety wrote:Another option is that osuka is Scum and Blair is trying to distract from a wagon on osuka without actually overtly saying they think osuka is Scum.
What happened to consolidating wagons?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Nothing happened to consolidating wagons. I decided GuiltyLion deserved go be a contender in that race.
Arguments predicated on perceived hypocrisy generally belie cognitive dissonance. You don't think I'm scum. You think I'm lazy.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- LicketyQuickety
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GL is Town. Why expand the lynch pool? Why do you think osuka should be in the lynch pool when you think he is Town?In post 1288, Blair wrote:Nothing happened to consolidating wagons. I decided GuiltyLion deserved go be a contender in that race.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I don't want osuka in the lynch pool genius. I told Nauci he was because he was the top wagon at the time so obviously he is in the lynch pool right now. I never said I *wanted* him there. You're smarter than this. I hope.In post 1289, LicketyQuickety wrote:
GL is Town. Why expand the lynch pool? Why do you think osuka should be in the lynch pool when you think he is Town?In post 1288, Blair wrote:Nothing happened to consolidating wagons. I decided GuiltyLion deserved go be a contender in that race.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- Blair
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I also want to put to bed any confusion on this deadline topic. I have not been advocating for ending the day, because we clearly haven't made up our minds yet, so we couldn't end the day anyway. I have been advocating for making up our minds.
If we made up our minds and then decided to end the day? I would probably support that, yes. It's been over a week, and more than 1,200 posts. Nothing would qualify as a speedwagon at this point.
Here are some words that I didn't write that sum up my feeligns on deadlines pretty well:
Thor665 wrote:Using 'All' The Time Till Deadline is Anti-town
What is this gak? No one should do this. Every time some player says that we 'shouldn't rush' or 'have plenty of time' I kind of want to run to run a speed wagon on them just for lulz.
It's total hoo-hah. No, you shouldn't use all the time available - you should use all the time you *need* There is a grind that happens in the game, and that grind wears down town and benefits scum because the longer you sit around reading stuff the more wifom can build up behind your eyeballs and mess with your reads. Also, people really should remember that there is a period of time after a lynch is decided upon when, usually, there's more conversation time needed - you don't want to have to rush that time. I'll be frank, I kind of think 1/2 to 2/3 of the available game time *tops* should be used to decide on the lynch. Then you can all discuss claims and last thoughts, and if needed can move the wagon. But I can't tell you how many times I've seen town gak up a lynch because they derped around till the last few days (or hours) and then you are trying to spot scum who are 'voting because of deadline' which...egads, no, don't let that happen.
So, yeah, using all the time is anti-town. So are speed lynches with no real analysis of the day - but at least everyone seems to understand *that*.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- LicketyQuickety
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(For those of you in the back, Quick is implying GuiltyLion is a speedwagon with no real analysis)“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- LicketyQuickety
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Explain.In post 1293, Blair wrote:(For those of you in the back, Quick is implying GuiltyLion is a speedwagon with no real analysis)I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I can't wait to find out what lies I've told.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot- LicketyQuickety
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That's because I am not saying that at all. Nice try. You are just trying to wiggle out of this. Like I said, you would have better luck just being honest instead of angleshooty.In post 1295, Blair wrote:Not doing your work for you.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You're putting a lot of words in my mouth.In post 1297, Blair wrote:I can't wait to find out what lies I've told.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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