1. If this is considered nai, and scum only do it to look townie, scum would theoretically stop doing it. The balance in that is some degree of townlean.In post 1484, Glitch wrote:In post 1480, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I think I'm town because:
- I try to understand people's thought processes. If I were scum, why would I bother engaging osuka in this scenario? osuka was at L-1 and multiple people had stated they were ready to end the day.
--- do you think I'm engaging people in good faith?
- I actually have real-time interactions instead of just posting in thread and ducking out
--- My stances are clear, and if you need them explained, I can explain them to you without having to think for a long time like I do as scum
- I take the time to look at people's past games like GL, popo and NDMath
- I don't care how I look, e.g. by putting popo to L-2.
I disagree that I'm a fluffposter. Maybe this was true early game or even mid game, but by now, I think I've posted enough readable content.
My meta is available for everyone to see. I even alt slipped1. Engaging osuka:If you were town, you'd do it because you were scum hunting. If you were scum, you'd engage osuka because scum's job is to be undetected and when osuka flips town you'll be able to point back to this and say, "Look how town I was, I was really trying to figure out if he was scum and I was just wrong." There's a motivation both ways so your first point is NAI.
2. Good faith:I appreciate your level head and how you have been respectful, calm, and chill this entire game treating people fairly. Your lack of enthusiasm and emotion in your pushes aren't a towntell though.
3. Real time interactions instead of post and run:fair point, I'll give you this one.
4. Clear stances you can clarify:"Details available upon request" is still hella scummy to me. It's an easy way to coast through the game as scum only having to take a stand when asked to, rather than being willing to push the envelope like a true townie would.
5. You read meta:cool story, not all of us have that much time and your life giving you the time to do that is NAI
6. You don't care how bad you look:this is an easy argument to make as scum when you've messed up and done something stupid, and then you're like, "Oh look at me, I don't care how bad I look, I'm a townie!" LAMIST and NAI
So really the only valid point I'm taking away from this is #3. Depending on the player, I would read that as NAI as well because scum could make the same argument that they're engaging in real time interactions and that makes them look towny. Sure they're under more pressure but good scum should be able to do that. The reason I'm giving you some leeway is that your playstyle doesn't seem to fit with scum playing real time and being under all that pressure unless you're good at conning people, which you could be but it would be a little bit of a stretch in my mind.
I'm still willing to make that stretch because of the rest of the points I've made in my case against you though. I don't read anyone as scummy as I do you even when I take your point #3 into consideration. It's a stretch I'm willing to make and risk because literally everything else points to you as scum.
Does it make you think of something that is pretending to be stupid but is actually quite dangerous?In post 1424, osuka wrote:maybe i've just associated his posts with the avatar and been conditioned to become angry whenever i see that gif
How long has GuiltyLion been voteparking osuka? If osuka flips scum, how does that influence your read of GuiltyLion?In post 1492, popopopopopopo wrote:im ok with an osuka or cat scratch lynch
This is false and a blatant misrepIn post 1498, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:In post 1445, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I barely posted for like >300 posts, so this is very not the argument you think it is.In post 1441, osuka wrote:i never said i think your progression is scummy. I said that there was zero progression to begin with, genius
the fact that you didnt engage my slot for 500 posts means that either your read on me is fabricated, or you had a scumread on me that you literally never thought to discuss with town. I find the second one much more difficult to believeYour scumcase on me is basically debunked by the fact that I was away from the thread for a few daysIn post 1446, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:*I barely posted for like >300 posts in that very interval you are talking about
Why are you ignoring this?
Why? You accuse me of having zero progression before voting for you but what trajectory do you expect if I were away from the threadIn post 1504, osuka wrote:This is false and a blatant misrep
i dont recall having lied, omitted, or otherwise manipulated information this game. Didn't feel like i had toIn post 1509, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I want to know why you'reso convincedthat I'm fabricating this, if this is a real thought from you or if this is something you're just saying to sway the lynch
I think more accurately, my read on you went from town to scum, but I wasn't ready to lynch you until like the previous pageIn post 1511, osuka wrote:your read went from town to "let's lynch this"
It's not that unusual for me. If your role is mafia goon for example then it makes much more sense to play it safe and claim VT so you don't need to keep up a PR facade for later. It's also good for WIFOM because people will think "oh, if he was scum he would probably not claim VT."In post 1512, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I'm a bit surprised he claimed VT as scum here
I actually had the same thought on this too. I've never seen two players independently post such similar cases in such a short time frame. (within 5 minutes of each other, really?!?). It seems beyond imaginable that that just happened coincidentally.In post 1483, Truth wrote:The timing of osuka and Glitch's posts on giving reasons for why Cat Scratch Fever is mafia looks really suspicious to me. Is this something they could've prepared in their secret chat and then decided to post and push together? It makes it more likely people will follow and maybe they can save osuka by lynching Cat Scratch Fever instead.
He quote it.In post 1521, popopopopopopo wrote:He claimed already bub
In post 1511, osuka wrote:i dont recall having lied, omitted, or otherwise manipulated information this game. Didn't feel like i had to
