Mini 627 - Riverworld Smalltown - Over!!!

[Twomz]

I'm fine on electricity and internet... unless something wierd happens.

If pug's town, then there are probably scum on his wagon (at least one imo) and his lynch provides info. If he's scum then, hey, we lynched scum.

No lynch at this point is just no information.

Going back to page 17...

Well maybe I'll give you something to say.

For example, what do you think of Pug, Twomz?

Responded to this.

How about Alabaska- is he on the same side as you, do you think?

Not sure, ask me again tomorrow, I'll probably have a better idea then.

You wanted the double vote, so tell me, what's the best way to use it? Should I be catious or bold?

Bold imo. Just don't accidentally hammer someone.

What about Claus? On a scale of one to crispy how protown is he?

Claus is trying to post content beyond his restriction enough that I think he is relatively protown right now. Then again, it could be a ploy... but I doubt it. On a scale of 1 - 10, 10 being most protown, I'd put him at a 7.5-8.

[armlx]

The more I look at it, the more has to be assumed for Pug's ability to have a reveal. I will be willing to hammer later tonight/tomorrow.

[shaft.ed]

'Kay, no really compelling arguements have emerged to chage my mind. I believe we can live without a confirmed innocent if we have to and I dislike making lynch choces based on role anyway.

As has been pointed out that same exact argument can be pointed at the Alabaska wagon.

[armlx]

I like how shaft.ed is willing to sacrifice his safe hiding spot for what he thinks is in the town's interest. I was worried earlier by his desire to save Alabaska for that reason.

[shaft.ed]

I see the points against my Pug argument. Less steadfast in maintaining his survival, but I still think we can get a good amount of information from the investigation wherever it goes (as long as the target and investigator live though).

Things to do today:
Re-read my unreadables (CyberBob, iamusername, TheHermit)
meta Rishiscum-Rishi if you could help me out with some links to where you were scum I'd appreciate it.

[Rishi]

meta Rishiscum-Rishi if you could help me out with some links to where you were scum I'd appreciate it.

I only have two completed games as scum (and over 20 as town). One is a newbie game where I was an IC and the other is a large game where I replaced in at the very end of Day 1. You're welcome to look at them:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8386
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7091

I also have an abandoned game as scum. I was also a replacement.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6354

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

[shaft.ed]

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

You really need to be scum more. How else can I catch you if you're always town

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count

(Page 25, Day 1)

Pug89

- 5 (M4yhem, Rishi, Twomz, Claus)

Alabaska J

- 3 (NabakovNabakovob, shafted, armlx)

iamausername

- 2 (Cyberbob, Alabaska J)

Twomz

- 1 (iamausername)

Not Voting:

TheHermit, Pug89

Note: Deadline (less than 31 hours from this post) August 6th, 8:00 PM EST. With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch, 6 is a no lynch.

[iamausername]

Unvote, Vote: Alabaska

.

He's a better lynch than Pug, and deadline is on the way.

And again.

Unvote, Vote: Alabaska

.

Looking back through your posts, the only reasons I can find you state for voting me is that you'd prefer my lynch to no lynch. Is there anything else I've missed?

Yes, barring some freak forum glitch causing parts of my posts to be deleted, or my memory is completely failing me.

It might be handy if you'd point out where it is, then.

[Alabaska J]

unvote, vote: Pug

pending my NabNab case just in case it doesn't make it in time.

[shaft.ed]

unvote, vote: Pug

pending my NabNab case just in case it doesn't make it in time.

What the hell? You're constantly talking about this "NabNab case" yet in your previous post you talk about other suspects and now you're dropping a "just in case" vote down? What are you getting at?

[shaft.ed]

EBWOP: Sorry "other suspects" may have been a bit of an overstatement in the above post.

[Alabaska J]

unvote, vote: Pug

pending my NabNab case just in case it doesn't make it in time.

What the hell? You're constantly talking about this "NabNab case" yet in your previous post you talk about other suspects and now you're dropping a "just in case" vote down? What are you getting at?

As in if deadline comes I don't want to cause a nolynch.

[M4yhem]

'Kay, no really compelling arguements have emerged to chage my mind. I believe we can live without a confirmed innocent if we have to and I dislike making lynch choces based on role anyway.

As has been pointed out that same exact argument can be pointed at the Alabaska wagon.

Maybe so but

1. I don't find Alabaska as scummy as Pug

2. Noone is protecting Alabaska the way people are protecting Pug

3. We get information faster from lynching Pug than lynching Alabaska

Thanks, Twomz. I'd forgotton I asked you thouse questions, actually. Here's some more:
a. Is Cyberbob working with you or against you? What gives you that impression?

b. Nabnab- scummy, or misunderstood? Show your work.

c. Armlx; on a scale of one to 10, how scummy is he?

d. Are you by any chance mafia?

[Alabaska J]

Note to self: Be careful with syntax while discussing setup.

Unvote; Vote: TheHermit

I know nobody really wants to hear that King might be scum, but King might be scum. His backpedal on irrationally opposing No Lynches feels wonky. (In other words, I hate it when people tell me not to make a big deal of things)

It really starts here for me. Looking back at the beginning of TheHermit wagon, it doesn't really look right to me. The backpedal on Nolynch seems logical, as nolynch is pretty much the anathema of all forum mafia players. TheHermit sees a vote for nolynch, and disagrees with almost on reflex. Smalltown is just about the only game where nolynch is at least considered because the game has so much at night. If you have never played Smalltown before, this may not be obvious. The backpedaling looks natural to me, as in "oh I hadn't really thought that much about nolynch" instead "oh I was scum trying to run up an early bandwagon because of a nolynch vote but now that it isn't as bad as it would usually be I'm gonna back off." NabNab, well, makes too big a deal out of this, as he wasn't really opposing them irrationally and he wasn't really backpedaling wonkily.

It's too soon to talk seriously about no-lynch. While it may be what the day comes to, there's still time for discussion.

Fair enough

Unvote; Vote: Megatron

Why is the first time you've had anything to do with something resembling a non-setup discussion a call for discussion?

Why is this scummy? Don't like the jump here at all. Also, saying he is calling for discussion is stretching it a bit here too IMO.

I stress the distinction between an informed and an uninformed lynch. So we're not saying the same thing. I also vote, so were certainly not

doing

the same thing.

And just so you're aware, pooh-poohing a No-Lynch and talking about discussion while not making any discussion contributes to "Uninformed lynch".

This point might be valid if it was made right at the deadline and all Megatron had done the whole day was "pooh-pooh" about a nolynch and had never contributed to discussion.

The "you haven't contributed enough so far you MUST be scum" argument doesn't fly here, especially this early.

I have to go to work and a lot has happened today which has prevented me from getting the rest done but here is what I have so far. If I have time I will post the rest before the deadline.

[Claus]

Hammer anyone?

[armlx]

There are still 21 hours. I'll hammer tomorrow afternoon if no one has.

[Pug89]

I'm pretty much doomed so it doesn't make much of a difference, but for what it's worth I'll

Vote: AlabaskaJ

.

[Cyberbob]

Damn, I was about to ask for a claim. lol.

I'm torn between whether to hammer or not. I don't think Pug is as good a lynch as iamausername or Alabaska, but I guess

anyone

is better than No Lynch.

On that note, if I don't see anything to convince me

not

to hammer by the time I go to bed I'll do it then (should be about 7 hours). Does that sound reasonable?

[armlx]

On that note, if I don't see anything to convince me not to hammer by the time I go to bed I'll do it then (should be about 7 hours). Does that sound reasonable?

Yes.

[Claus]

mfos: iamausername

Help

mFoS: Alabaska

!

Help

[Rishi]

Damn, I was about to ask for a claim. lol.

I was going to suggest mass claim for tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count

(Page 25(part two), Day 1)

Pug89

- 6 (M4yhem, Rishi, Twomz, Claus, Alabaska J)

Alabaska J

- 5 (NabakovNabakovob, shafted, armlx, iamausername, Pug89 )

iamausername

- 1 (Cyberbob)

Not Voting:

TheHermit

Note: Deadline (little over 11 hours from this post) August 6th, 8:00 PM EST. With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch, 6 is a no lynch.

[armlx]

If Cyber doesn't hammer when he said he would, I can as well at about 1pm EST.

[Cyberbob]

If Cyber doesn't hammer when he said he would, I can as well at about 1pm EST.

If I'm off target it will be earlier rather than later - I'm feeling a bit tired. Judging by the activity around this time it doesn't appear as though it will make a huge amount of difference either way.