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[Looker]

I don't understand Dunnstral's request to self-meta. When I'm scum I'm scum and when I'm town I'm town.

[Blair]

I don't prioritize my Scum game over my Town game, I just don't want to spill everything I say about my Scum game.

Except I wasn't asking you about your scum game when you said this (and note the word 'explicitly'):

I didn't answer explicitly for future games. If I always say who I think is Scum or Town, then that can really hurt my Scum game if I can't lie.

I was asking you about your reads in that game. You didn't mind looking scummy by refusing to answer a direct question (for those of you who weren't there, the very reasonable question was "You just subbed in and lolhammered me after calling me town - does that mean you now think I'm scum?").

Why?

"Explicitly for future games." "That can really hurt my scum game."

Yet now you're pretending you're on some moral crusade against that very behavior and that's why you're scumreading me.

[Blair]

Welcome back, Looker. Popopo is lying scum, I'm the Vigilante, and Quick is pushing a counterwagon due to my... *checks scribbles on hand* personality?

[popopopopopopo]

nope. listen Looker, blair is scum here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why?

It is apparent to me that you were not pointing it out in good faith. I thought, naturally, that your point was that I prioritize my Scum game over my Town game. But I did actually answer the question you asked me later. I believe mav had a similar question which I answered. I don't want to give away all the ways I can get reads on people. That DOESN'T mean I am prioritizing my Scum game over my Town game. It just means my reads are more effective for more games if I don't give every last detail of how I read people. Seriously, you should understand this. But your point isn't that I am Scum for doing such, but that I am a liar. Sorry to burst your bubble, Blair, but just because I don't give every last detail of how I read people doesn't actually mean I am being dishonest. Omission doesn't actually mean you have lied. What's more is that I could have come up with some BS answer to say what I was doing there, but instead I straight up said why I didn't want to answer.

[Blair]

"Every last detail"

I literally just asked you if you were scumreading me. I didn't even get a chance to ask why, because you never answered the first question. Explicitly to protect your future scum games.

[LicketyQuickety]

I also said this in the post Blair quoted:

but I am just learning as I go, honestly.

At the time, I wanted to play without lying at all, but I have since scrapped that.

[LicketyQuickety]

"Every last detail"

I literally just asked you if you were scumreading me. I didn't even get a chance to ask why, because you never answered the first question. Explicitly to protect your future scum games.

It doesn't matter because what I said then isn't valid anymore.

[Blair]

But the fact remains you were willing to try it.

So let's not pretend you have a long standing crusade against it.

[Blair]

And on that note, I'm going to spare the thread from what would otherwise have been a long (albeit comical) back and forth and take a step back, I've made my point. Quick is being disingenuous in his reads.

Quick, the last word is yours.

[LicketyQuickety]

But the fact remains you were willing to try it.

So let's not pretend you have a long standing crusade against it.

It was only because I wanted to try to play without lying at all. It wasn't based on the idea of being dishonest to up my Scum game. That's a difference and I am not sure if you can really understand that or not.

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand Dunnstral's request to self-meta. When I'm scum I'm scum and when I'm town I'm town.

Your playstyle in this game is similar to our last game I saw you in, where you were mafia

[LicketyQuickety]

@Blair, Who did you shoot and why?

[LicketyQuickety]

Also: Why use one of your two shots on Night 1?

I'm a vig i shoot

Why did you claim VT then?

I still think popo claiming VT is the Scummiest thing in the game given Norway's claim.

VOTE: popo

Blair may or may not be vig, but I really don't care about that and it generally shows pretty Town mindset that Blair did claim Vig.

[popopopopopopo]

vote: popopopopopopopopopopopo

[LicketyQuickety]

Great, so was Blair doing some FPS as Scum or are they just Town?

[Deimos27]

Official Vote Count 2.HAMMER

Lynching

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

popopopopopopo

(6): NorwegianboyEE, Looker, Blair, Dunnstral, LicketyQuickety, popopopopopopo

*HAMMER*

NDMath

(1): Nauci

Truth

(1): Glitch

No Lynch

(1): Truth

Not Voting

(1): NDMath

Mod notes:

• Dunnstral replaces mavsfan41.

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[Deimos27]

Day 2 Lynch

"Death, therefore, the most awful of evils, is nothing to us, seeing that, when we are, death is not come, and, when death is come, we are not." ~Epicurus

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popopopopopopo has been lynched Day 2. He was a

Mafia Night 3 Jailkeeper

It is now Night 2. Deadline for night actions is (expired on 2020-07-03 20:43:59)

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[Deimos27]

Night 2 Deaths

Bernard Williams (1929-2003) argued that someone immortal would eventually run out of reasons to live, and then death would cease to be a misfortune.

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LicketyQuickety has been killed Night 2. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.
NorwegianboyEE has been killed Night 2. He was an

Odd-Night Gunsmith

.

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[Deimos27]

Official Vote Count 3.00

Susan Haack (1945-) propounds "foundherentism", an innovative theory of justification that combines foundationalism and coherentism.

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Elimination

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Not Voting

(7): Truth, Nauci, Glitch, Blair, Looker, Dunnstral, NDMath

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-17 21:08:51).

Mod notes:

• I didn't get the memo about the recent rule change. I will make the necessary adaptations.

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[Dunnstral]

Odd-night makes the mason claim more believeable.

I think I want Truth + Partner to claim today. Blair should make the final call

[Dunnstral]

Or we can take it a step further and mass claim today. We're one lim away from limlo

[Looker]

• Why wasn't Blair killed last night?
  
• I don't listen to meta arguments unless they're all-encompassing. 1 game isn't an adequate sample size.

VOTE: Nauci

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand Dunnstral's request to self-meta. When I'm scum I'm scum and when I'm town I'm town.

Your playstyle in this game is similar to our last game I saw you in, where you were mafia

Looker, you ask why I'm wondering about this, right? I can't differentiate your current play from the game you were mafia in.

[Dunnstral]

*understand why