Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

[keyenpeydee]

Vote count 2.07

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[2] Town looter

- Nash, Mikul,

[1] Nash

- Town looter,

[1] Ydrasse

- Lunatic,

[1] LicketyQuickety

- votato,

[1] votato

- LicketyQuickety,

[1] Not Voting

- Ydrasse,

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alive, it takes

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[votato]

ill post when i’m home.

if there’s anything ppl want me to talk about immediately i’d appreciate the questions so i can get a footing here.

we need a claim from you

[Mikul]

ill post when i’m home.

if there’s anything ppl want me to talk about immediately i’d appreciate the questions so i can get a footing here.

Anthony softed a pr so we are waiting for a full claim at this point

[Ydrasse]

i showed up a bit early to work so i have a few moments but scanning his iso i don’t see a soft anywhere in it, maybe i’m blind but i don’t see that. why would i claim tho and narrow down prs.

also i don’t understand the fos on this slot, is it activity + him being hesitant?

[Mikul]

i showed up a bit early to work so i have a few moments but scanning his iso i don’t see a soft anywhere in it, maybe i’m blind but i don’t see that. why would i claim tho and narrow down prs.

also i don’t understand the fos on this slot, is it activity + him being hesitant?

I have no idea why he did , the fos is that soft and him seeming weird

anyway go ahead and claim

[Lunatic]

i showed up a bit early to work so i have a few moments but scanning his iso i don’t see a soft anywhere in it, maybe i’m blind but i don’t see that. why would i claim tho and narrow down prs.

also i don’t understand the fos on this slot, is it activity + him being hesitant?

Your previous slot (Anthony) claimed he was a cop with a guilty on mikul. We were in the process of questioning him why he chose mikul when he went afk. Can you answer for us?

[Town looter]

Urgh

[Ydrasse]

okay, i went back a bit and saw there were claims, i have no clue why my slot would have sifted anything save to bait mafia. i hardclaim VT.

[votato]

And had that not taken over an hour id be very happy to believe that it was a good reaction test

[LicketyQuickety]

I think it's pretty clear at least one of TL/votato is Scum. I think TL has made some posts that are hard(er) to fake as Scum, so that leaves me thinking votato is Scum. So Scum are in those three between TL/votato/nash. I really think the way votato dropped off means he's Scum since he doesn't actually have legit reasons for why I am Scum and can't defend that position.

excuse you? yes, me dropping off while on VLA is totally AI. i did defend why you're scum. i picked one game to link, but pretty much every game ive been with you was the same, except when you lurked in all your games and got replaced. but whenever youre active your playstyle is the same.

How do I know you were V/LA?

[Ydrasse]

And had that not taken over an hour id be very happy to believe that it was a good reaction test

nah, just at work atm

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, I must not have read closely enough because I never saw the cop claim.

[Town looter]

And had that not taken over an hour id be very happy to believe that it was a good reaction test

Really? If anything taking a shorter time would be scummier given it’s almost certainly been discussed in the mafia PT.

Reads would be good Ydrasse.

[LicketyQuickety]

and quick why is anthony town to you?

I don't have anthony as LockTown.

[LicketyQuickety]

Anthony has just basically not been here. How many posts do they have? I feel like VT might replace out.

PR hunting. this is a scum mindset

I never PR hunt - even as Scum. I am literally PR blind. We've had this conversation before.

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel like Anthony was either over cautious Scum or just Newb Town. Not much else in their ISO, but they did make a good point about Arthur being Town:

I'm hesitant to L-2 Arthur for only one reason (and if someone wants to show me why this is meaningless, then I have no problem voting), does him trying to make sure the vote against him is counted seem anti scum?

the best analysis quick can do, even after a flip is "town would be unlikely to say this non-gamesolving thing" quick is not town here.

Why is it a non-gamsolving thing?

[LicketyQuickety]

The bit that bothers me is the confidence that the game will be solved tomorrow. This is some kind of crowd-pleasing effort that is utter BS - it can't possibly be genuine because it's simply not true. Especially not true since in the same post they put a vote on someone who is generally being read as town or null.

I'm getting to the same place as votato, but for different reasons.

Yeah, I just have enough faith that with players as competent as Mikul and Lunatic that this game should theoretically be solved given another lynch due to associations. But you might have a point that sometimes even good players don't look at that stuff as closely as they should. Maybe I am over valuing those confirmed players ability, but it seems like they know what they are doing so *shrug*

I still stick by that there is probably one Scum in you/votato.

[Ydrasse]

- quick inherited a bad slot tbh. reading brass's posts prior it's hard for me to tell if this was someone who was frustrated town and being unhelpful because of the game state, or a frustrated scum player who was caught out and doesn't have much of a chance to get their way out of it. 332 pings me; it seems like an excuse to say "my reads won't be enough and i didn't do enough", in that a scum player doesn't know where they can put their suspicions and is trying to wriggle out of attempting to gamesolve.

- i don't like votato's opening because it has nervousness ("ses please don't think too hard on this") but i'm not putting a lot of stock in this.

- 91 not all epicmafia players are cocky >:(

- i don't like 104, and given that arthur ended up flipping town pointing out the little things like anxiety/etc and still not having a vote somewhere isn't great. 111 same thing. 118 arthur catches on.

- 121 pings me but that might be bc i'm sr'ing this slot as i am trying to read. given that there hasn't been like, much if any game-progressing content from this slot.

- 143 bad. not a fan. despite saying there have been lifelines given i don't really feel like there was much in the way of this. it seems like arthur has always been positioned as the inevitable elimination.

- the self hammer sucks.

- 193 thru 196 is one of those things when knowing in retrospect that lunatic claims pr, town looter is just looking for someone else to jump onto.

- 197 how is the unvote forced?

- 278 "i'd be comfortable being the elimination today... but i'm not "

- 282 i like this post

- 285 "come on talk yourself out of this scumread for me."

- 377 why is loud = town. scum can be loud and still be posting scummy things, this doesn't read for context.

- 379 "i am not sure that this person would do this as this alignment but here is my vote anyways."

- 395 396 397 why ask why someone unvoted if you've already confirmed to yourself what the answer is. doesn't seem good faith.

- 404 part of me is a bit paranoid that votato is getting by easy with everything that's going on but the jailkeep gives me pause to sr this slot.

- 428 might be bias again but could be partner defending partner if quick/tl scum team.

- 455 a good post from quick because while i'm biased from inheriting this slot, yeah, anthony just seems like a cautious player.

my preferred elimination chain is tl -> quick -> votato -> nash today. this is super unorganized but if i tried to go through the entirety of the game my brain would explode so hopefully i can be more coherent from here.

VOTE: town looter

[L-1]

[Town looter]

Haha. Nice. Pretty sure Scum PT reads something like this right now: "Get on loot, with Mikul's read on him so strong, it'll be an easy mislynch."

I am happy to walk into the noose because I think, now, we have enough information to win once I flip.

Reads ofc:

• Ydrasse
  getting on me screams of opportunistic eliminating. This bumps the slot right up the scum-o-meter. Although you guys won't see that until my flip.
  
• Nash
  . I think this slot is scum. It's been lurky, it's made scummy posts. Just feels straight up scummy. Can you please fucking focus on Vexo/Nash slot tomorrow?
  
• Like many of you, I have had a niggling feeling that
  LQ
  is town, even though I have been scum reading them for most of the game. I realise this sounds inconsistent AF, but gun to the head, I would probably now say town.
  
• votato is tough, POE suggests town, but they haven't been helpful at all. Their scum record is impeccable, so they play a very good scum game. I think if votato is scum we lose, unless you guys can prove some how Ydrasse or Nash are town.

Conclusion: Ydrasse and Nash are most likely scum team. Although votato could be fucking us. Pretty sure LQ is town.

I am happy to answer any questions, otherwise hammer away.

[Town looter]

Two newbies as scum makes sense as well. They don't have anyone experienced to lead and help with activity - makes lurking more likely. I think Scum!votato would've made their partner be more active, so some minor town points there...

[Mikul]

UNVOTE:

just so there is no weird business while i deliberate

[votato]

I think it's pretty clear at least one of TL/votato is Scum. I think TL has made some posts that are hard(er) to fake as Scum, so that leaves me thinking votato is Scum. So Scum are in those three between TL/votato/nash. I really think the way votato dropped off means he's Scum since he doesn't actually have legit reasons for why I am Scum and can't defend that position.

excuse you? yes, me dropping off while on VLA is totally AI. i did defend why you're scum. i picked one game to link, but pretty much every game ive been with you was the same, except when you lurked in all your games and got replaced. but whenever youre active your playstyle is the same.

How do I know you were V/LA?

well i might have posted in the thread about it. i definitely set my site status to VLA and PMd the mod. is this really the push you're gonna me tho? lol. activity is never AI for me.

[votato]

and quick why is anthony town to you?

I don't have anthony as LockTown.

that isnt what i said, nor is it what you said. you listed anthony as a townread. i asked why. dont deflect.

[votato]

I feel like Anthony was either over cautious Scum or just Newb Town. Not much else in their ISO, but they did make a good point about Arthur being Town:

I'm hesitant to L-2 Arthur for only one reason (and if someone wants to show me why this is meaningless, then I have no problem voting), does him trying to make sure the vote against him is counted seem anti scum?

the best analysis quick can do, even after a flip is "town would be unlikely to say this non-gamesolving thing" quick is not town here.

Why is it a non-gamsolving thing?

being hesitant to put someone L-2 as a newbie isnt AI. talking about a vote counting isnt really very AI either. its an empty statement. there were statements with real content you could have talked about.

[votato]

Haha. Nice. Pretty sure Scum PT reads something like this right now: "Get on loot, with Mikul's read on him so strong, it'll be an easy mislynch."

I am happy to walk into the noose because I think, now, we have enough information to win once I flip.

Reads ofc:

• Ydrasse
  getting on me screams of opportunistic eliminating. This bumps the slot right up the scum-o-meter. Although you guys won't see that until my flip.
  
• Nash
  . I think this slot is scum. It's been lurky, it's made scummy posts. Just feels straight up scummy. Can you please fucking focus on Vexo/Nash slot tomorrow?
  
• Like many of you, I have had a niggling feeling that
  LQ
  is town, even though I have been scum reading them for most of the game. I realise this sounds inconsistent AF, but gun to the head, I would probably now say town.
  
• votato is tough, POE suggests town, but they haven't been helpful at all. Their scum record is impeccable, so they play a very good scum game. I think if votato is scum we lose, unless you guys can prove some how Ydrasse or Nash are town.

Conclusion: Ydrasse and Nash are most likely scum team. Although votato could be fucking us. Pretty sure LQ is town.

I am happy to answer any questions, otherwise hammer away.

pretty sure this post only comes from town.