Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[superbowl9]

Also I'm not very partial to VCA but TM's post gets a few townpoints for me. Just putting VCs out there and not making a case with them seems town - if scum does this type of work they will want to make a case off of it imo.

[Deimos27]

Looker how much does meta play into your reads?

[superbowl9]

Also don't love Marashu not defending himself as he is 2nd (now 1st) biggest wagon - reads like an attempt at deflection.

[Deimos27]

I like the divisiveness of a counterwagon, and I don't understand why Marashu unvoted.

What does liking the divisiveness of a counterwagon even mean? What don't you understand about Marashu's explanation for his unvote?

Neither of these comments, as phrased, particularly elucidate for me why you're on this wagon.

[Deimos27]

UNVOTE:
Doesn't feel intellectually honest to stay on Marashu until I get my thoughts in order regarding this vs Midari.

[Doctor Drew]

So this is the part of D-1 where scum really tries to get people off the top wagon.

Noted.

Coupled with replacement of said top wagon instantly getting town read(at least by BM).

Duely noted.

I am feeling a little better about Deimos though.

[PenguinPower]

Why were you on said top wagon, Doc?

[PenguinPower]

i dunno, i kinda think the midari slot is town at this point?

my guess based on that would be that midari is scum and the two other wagons are counterwagons. it implicates BM? not my area of expertise and also i dunno how much we can learn pre-flip.

Interesting turnaround.

[PenguinPower]

What do I need to know because I'm not reading 25 pages worth of stuff?

I'm digging you already. And you've dropped from 99% scum to 80% scum. So you should probably join me with a:

VOTE: Marashu

I'm back baby!

I should be exactly 85%. Why Marashu?

[PenguinPower]

Yeah, Battle Mage is 85% town.

[PenguinPower]

Also I'm not very partial to VCA but TM's post gets a few townpoints for me. Just putting VCs out there and not making a case with them seems town - if scum does this type of work they will want to make a case off of it imo.

Meh - it’s D1 and I don’t agree. Watch for the color coding in later phases.

(still could come from any alignment)

[Doctor Drew]

Why were you on said top wagon, Doc?

I have been a card carrying member from almost the start on Midari.

But you would see that if you read back(not trying to be snarky, I wouldn't read 20+ pages as well).

I can show you if you would like?

[PenguinPower]

I already said I wasn’t reading, so yeah. Show me.

[Doctor Drew]

Regarding my participation in the game, I have nothing relevant to share and I do not intend to invent anything to create the false impression of activity.

So you have no thoughts on the game.
Awesome. Great job. Happy with this thus far.

I have said the same thing, basically verbatim, as Worcestershire. Also this shade buy Midari just comes off as really trying to act townie, but still scummy.

whoops. If im not invested im probably town

I hate how people can use this as a tell.
It's like oh I'm not scum I'm just going to fuck off for a bit. Ironically you can manipulate this and flip it so you just fly under the radar.

well my case rests primarily on midari being scum. but if that isnt enough reason for you to vote someone (FoS on you again), midari's tone/style doesnt match town!midari. more to come.

How many games have you seen me in from the start in? Most times I've replaced into games where I have to figure out the motivation from the slot before me. It's quite aggravating sometimes just for how people can muck up a slot.

This is fantastic, Midari contradicts herself in the same post!

How dare you use self meta as a town tell!

Btw, my self meta that makes me town is 'this'.

There was too much stuff that made Midari scum iso, imo, but this is what really is the cherry on the top.

Btw, I am not asking you to defend/explain, just giving you a glimpse on why she was the top(and correct imo) wagon.

[Doctor Drew]

*that made Midari scum 'in my' iso.

[PenguinPower]

I mean - I’m not and can’t defend stuff I didn’t say.

Doesn’t seem like the slam dunk you think it is unless there more though (despite my slight bias).

Did the Midari wagon start around post 400?

[word321]

oh penguinsempai joined the game

[Doctor Drew]

I mean - I’m not and can’t defend stuff I didn’t say.

Doesn’t seem like the slam dunk you think it is unless there more though (despite my slight bias).

Did the Midari wagon start around post 400?

Not sure the exact start tbh.

And listen, I think your slot is scum, and scum is going to try to invalidate the wagon on them. I feel like you are setting me up here.

[word321]

Word, as someone who is a card carrying member of the 'artist formally know as Midari is scum' fan club, which I see you are as well.

*initiate secret handshake*

But, opinions on Mara wagon? I have only been lightly skimming, but I find it odd that solid players like Deimos and Super are on a competing wagon.

I will say, I need to go back and look at the reasoning behind the Mara wagon, and maybe I have my blinders on, but The Artist Formally Known as Midari seems obvscum.

Ill address this

[PenguinPower]

I mean - I’m not and can’t defend stuff I didn’t say.

Doesn’t seem like the slam dunk you think it is unless there more though (despite my slight bias).

Did the Midari wagon start around post 400?

Not sure the exact start tbh.

And listen, I think your slot is scum, and scum is going to try to invalidate the wagon on them. I feel like you are setting me up here.

Sorry that I know you’re wrong? Not sure what you would expect me to do if I was town then.

Curious as to the start since you said you’ve been on since the beginning and you only quoted posts after 400.

[Doctor Drew]

That was one of the later posts in regards to Midari actually.

[PenguinPower]

Feel free to show the earlier ones.

[Doctor Drew]

drew is usually scummy. but scum drew is also scummy and obviously so in my experience. so this suggests hmmmm either drew stepped up his scumgame or his towngame

Could it be Drew is just doing enough to stay off the radar of a lot since there are a lot of lurkers?

Explain this.

People are unsure of your alignment no?
Hence you aren't making waves one way or another and trying to muck your "meta" up a bit so one can't tell if you are town or scum.

Have I 'stayed off the radar' in your opinion?

I have you in my null town list aside the fact you hate Anime.
I'd say I want more but I would say the same about myself at this moment

Who has been more 'on the radar' in your opinion?

Midari, what's your experience with mafia?

Specifically, have you rolled scum in forum mafia before?

I have a few games on site if you wanted to look for meta. But I don't believe in meta. If that's what you are asking.
I think we can all change the way we play from one side to another and has no bearing.

And I've been scum before and I've been town and some PRs.

Based on this post it does actually sound like she has off-site experience so maybe I should be more suspicious than I am.

I am glad you brought this post up again.

Midari, yes obviously if you are aware of your own self meta you can manipulate it, but there are patterns and certain idiosyncrasies that you will do that you are not even aware of. Your post comes off as being scared of someone looking up your meta. like there is something you have done here that you have also done in your scum game(s?).

This is where is all became clear, to me at least.

[Doctor Drew]

And when I say beginning, the real beginning of her wagon.

[word321]

maras wagon is interesting to some degree; i have purposely avoided going indeep with opinions onj mara, since its dynamic is insightful and mara himself does indeed need more push to his slot. even now his response wasnt exactly satisfactory; specifically I dnt rly like the change of tone towards BMs slot. Having said that, i never saw an

offensive

or

terminally scummy

lack of scumhunting on marashu, and Ive liked some of his posts previous to BMs accusation and after it; I do thing a wagon was useful. In that regard, I dnt find particularly suspicious the first accusation from BM and Deimos towards their respective slots, specially since tunneling is a meta characteristic for BM.

What I do rly find interesting however about the wagon r the

dynamics

around it; first, independent of the actual scumsiness of Mara (wich I dnt find particularly big to be honest, as Ive said before), for a lot of time it rly felt like most of the opinions of the game were akin to that; that BM had a strong case with deimos, and all that. The wagon too gained traction too fast, traction that culminated with the 2 votes from worc and midari, that lead to a L-1; Ive already said it, but again, most of the traction was induced by a perception that BM had a strong case, wich is inherently suspicious. When confronted, midaris reaction was suspicious; but yet again, there was a lot of reticence to explore that posibility (from players like superbowl and deimos), or at least to leave the wagon; by dynamics alone, this is another sounding bell, wich motivates the further push on the slot.
Resuming things, maras wagon was easy to stay on, and the only actual argument necessary for was quoting BM; on the other hand, I may be biased with midari/penguin, but it wasw strange it not catching that much attention.

Finally, about ppl on the wagon, this thing is completely irrelevant withou a flip on penguin. Penguin is the summiest of em all, but not a sure scum; upon a red flip, THEN we can rly begin to talk, and given the current situation, I would instantly go first and foremost for a superbowl here. But yet, this is still a moot point.