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[Blair]

Fun Fact: Looker's conspiracy theory almost persuaded me to shoot Norwe

[Dunnstral]

I'm not a mason.

I'm not mason.

I am neither a Mason nor a Neighbor with Truth or with anyone.

Nope

Does this mean we burn the witch now

Glitch hasn't explicitly said it but they cased and voted for Truth yesterday

[Nauci]

Playerlist:

1) Truth - Mr. Miller Mason" Himself
2) Glitch

Spoiler: Truth's thoughts on popopopopopopopopopopo

popo feels like mafia as well.

VOTE: popopopopopopo

He feels like he doesn't care. I also saw some reasons from tiger cat that I liked.

I have no clues or leads, but I have bad feelings from popopopopopopopopo because he feels like he doesn't care. I think mafia have less to care about, because they're okay with anyone that's town being lynched.

Should we quickly lynch popopopopopopopopo and go into night? I don't we'll get a better suspect than this and it may be good to go to the night without giving mafia any more information.

Cat Scratch Fever (3): popopopopopopo, Blair, Glitch ... Town!
osuka (3): GuiltyLion, Cat Scratch Fever, NorwegianboyEE .... Mafia!
NDMath (2): Nauci, mavsfan41 ... Town
GuiltyLion (2): Looker, NDMath ... Town!

popopopopopopo (1): Truth ... Mafia!

Glitch (1): LicketyQuickety ... Unsure

VOTE: osuka

Maybe a valid situation for a normal lynch could be done by forming multiple bandwagons and seeing how people will vote between them. I am personally happy with my vote on po (shortening the name now).

I think Tiger cat is town and po is mafia actually.

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

I still don't like him. My suspects are po, osuka, and maybe Glitch. Do you want me to vote for osuka again?

Hi, Blair! Help me vote and put pressure on po while you find someone else you want to vote.

It would make sense to me if there was 2 mafia from po going down, and 1 in the top 6.

So osuka and po and Looker for example. I think mafia usually say less and don't put themselves in the limelight but usually they need a leader. If I'm wrong, it could instead be Nauci and Glitch and mavsfan for example.

I still think we should lynch osuka.

However, I realised earlier that part of my reason for wanting to believe he's mafia may be because I'd be a little upset he was town. I think he's unnecessarily harsh most of the time.

LicketyQuickety, I am not mafia!

I was even voting for po for a long time earlier and you also think he's mafia.

VOTE: po

For yesterday, I think he could be the mafia we are looking for.

I think the right move here is for us to collectively decide who Popo should shoot tonight. This effectively gives us two lynches today -

unless he's lying, in which case the real vigilante will shoot him.

If

popo is getting vigged

, then I think we should lynch blair.

Slip?

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Could you explain what you mean by this please? Is it because he said po instead of Truth there?

VOTE: No one

If Truth really were the mason, which I really think he isn't, and if he truly believed popo was scum

like he has literally the entire game including 100% of Day 1 and even the start of Day 2

, he would not be worried that popo would shoot him in N2 as the vig because he believes popo isn't the vig, he's scum. The

only

way for this to make sense is if Truth believes popo is actually the vig, and yet he just said he believes he's most likely scum. Truth also knows that the popo slot will resolve itself tonight. Kind of like how we've been saying that the Truth slot will resolve itself.

Well... I'm pretty sure it resolved itself. Truth is shit scum and if someone comes out to say they're masons with Truth then we know who the scum team is together. I really don't think I'm wrong on this one but if I am, then at very minimum it was a productive PL, and popo is actually the scum who the vig will take care of tonight. Truth and popo can't be scum together but they're both scummy AF. popo will die if he is scum tonight. Lynch Truth and the vig can NK popo if we're wrong, and we get 1 scum for sure. And if I'm right and Truth is scum as I strongly suspect... then maybe popo is telling the truth and will shoot someone that isn't himself and is alive the next day as proof of his claim.

Additionally, please reference:

Official Vote Count 1.HAMMER

osuka

(7): GuiltyLion, NorwegianboyEE,

Truth

, Nauci, popopopopopopo, Cat Scratch Fever, LicketyQuickety

*HAMMER*

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Osuka relentlessly fought to lynch Truth without stopping D1. Truth's response to that was interesting. I think Truth SR'd osuka for because Truth is scum and plays poorly, so when someone pushes against him, he SR's them for bullshit reasons.

Truth's reason to SR osuka was that osuka SR'd someone but didn't vote for that person.

See below.

Spoiler: Truth's thoughts on osuka

I can already see that osuka is approving the push and shading me. Do you think this could be him testing the room to see if there's support?

i'm starting to have serious doubts that you're mason

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

I will ignore your insult and point out the obvious: You are shading me without advocating my lynch. You are testing the waters to see if others are open to pushing me, in which case you would join. That is what it looks like to me.

i'm starting to have serious doubts that you're mason

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

I will ignore your insult and point out the obvious: You are shading me without advocating my lynch. You are testing the waters to see if others are open to pushing me, in which case you would join. That is what it looks like to me.

that's just not true at all. i'm calling your stupid plays out as what they are: stupid plays. I'm not advocating for anyone's lynch and if you legitimately believe that, youre delusional

That is exactly my point. You are calling me out and shading me while not advocating my lynch. This looks like a mafia play to me. If people agree with you and start voting me, I expect you will then be fine with my lynch, but right now, you are not pushing it because it may make you look like mafia if not enough people get behind it.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

Why are they both town?

As for your leads questions, I was suspecting osuka before that if you check my earlier posts.

Based on their back and forth, I think they both believe in their pushes. I can also understand why they each scumread the other even though I disagree with it.

They're both independently towny as well. Quick has demonstrated that he has an unusual process of scumhunting, and I think his process is hard to fake.

I'm gut townreading osuka.

Why is osuka scummy for thinking you could be lying about being a mason but not wanting to take the risk of pushing you? A lot of people have expressed disbelief in your mason claim yet no one is pushing for your lynch off the top of my head.

Could they not be performing an act of WIFOM? Where they intentionally push each other with reasons that seem legitimate, but it's because they know people will think they are town for doing them.

osuka appeared like he outright disbelieved me and thought I was mafia but then didn't push me or vote me. I feel the only reason for this is because he is scared for being suspected for it and wanted to see if others would vote me first.

Who do you think I should look at instead?

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

I still don't like him. My suspects are po, osuka, and maybe Glitch. Do you want me to vote for osuka again?

osuka likes to post a lot of times close to each other. Is doing this instead of putting thoughts into one part a mafia tactic? It makes it look like he has a bigger presence or is more involved than he actually is. It gave me that impression too until I realised that it can be manipulated

Do people look at number of posts to see if someone is likely to be town or mafia?

how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

If he is in fact a mason, it's pretty natural to assume that mafia would know he's town and therefore likely not lying about being a

mason

of all things

I still like the Osuka vote, none of his latest bursts of post felt all that town and this one was really bad shade-for-sake-of-shade

Do you think osuka could be making sure I'm actually a mason and not lying in that post? Like he's mafia and wants to kill me if I'm a mason but wants to keep questioning me just to make sure. I think this another reason to think he is mafia.

Cat Scratch Fever (3): popopopopopopo, Blair, Glitch ... Town!
osuka (3): GuiltyLion, Cat Scratch Fever, NorwegianboyEE .... Mafia!
NDMath (2): Nauci, mavsfan41 ... Town
GuiltyLion (2): Looker, NDMath ... Town!
popopopopopopo (1): Truth ... Mafia!
Glitch (1): LicketyQuickety ... Unsure

VOTE: osuka

It would make sense to me if there was 2 mafia from po going down, and 1 in the top 6.

So osuka and po and Looker for example. I think mafia usually say less and don't put themselves in the limelight but usually they need a leader. If I'm wrong, it could instead be Nauci and Glitch and mavsfan for example.

In reply to osuka: But in that one post, you were specifically asking about my role again, and you did that earlier too.

I still think we should lynch osuka. However, I realised earlier that part of my reason for wanting to believe he's mafia may be because I'd be a little upset he was town. I think he's unnecessarily harsh most of the time.

LicketyQuickety, I am not mafia! I was even voting for po for a long time earlier and you also think he's mafia.

Because I am town, Blair! Please don't shoot me if you're the vigilante. Does my buddy really need to prove this to be the case?

Dunnstral's plan where we let the vigilante shoot po if he's lying seems like a good idea.

But who else should be lynch today instead? osuka and po were my main suspects.

And yet, here we are on D2 with Truth SR'ing popopo but not voting him. The same reason Truth wanted to lynch osuka. Let me pull out a few of these from above to just point that last part out because that's the real kicker:

You are shading me without advocating my lynch. You are testing the waters to see if others are open to pushing me, in which case you would join. That is what it looks like to me.

I think you are acting like mafia.

You are calling me out and shading me while not advocating my lynch. This looks like a mafia play to me. If people agree with you and start voting me, I expect you will then be fine with my lynch, but right now, you are not pushing it because it may make you look like mafia if not enough people get behind it.

VOTE: po

For yesterday, I think he could be the mafia we are looking for.

VOTE: No one

If you're actually a mason you wouldn't even think of outing your partner unless you absolutely had to. But I think it's clear that if you have a partner it's probably scum. And if you out your partner and we lynch you thinking you're both scum and we're wrong, then at least you're PL'd and we'll confirm your mason buddy.

VOTE: Truth

Why did your super solid read on po change when he claimed vig? Do you believe him?

And if you do believe him then why would you want to no-lynch?

3) Nauci

(He's saying either they killed Norwe because he was more threatening or [WIFOM: They killed him because they expected us to expect them to kill me].

Nauci, are you a Mason / Neighbor?

Nope

Does this mean we burn the witch now

4) Blair Candy Shop1

I agree that mason partner should claim to prove truth. I'm not mason.

Odd phrasing - last minute edit?

Please confirm that you aren't a neighbor, either - for clarity.

I am neither a Mason nor a Neighbor with Truth or with anyone.

5) GuiltyLion - DEAD
6) Dunnstral mavsfan41

If you're actually a mason you wouldn't even think of outing your partner unless you absolutely had to. But I think it's clear that if you have a partner it's probably scum. And if you out your partner and we lynch you thinking you're both scum and we're wrong, then at least you're PL'd and we'll confirm your mason buddy.

VOTE: Truth

Glitch, Truth is definitely not making it near LYLO so why don't you just focus on everybody else for now?

Simple - a mason claim is self-resolving: Truth should die tonight or get lynched tomorrow. I'm not fond of people hijacking my attention as a form of distraction. There are still 11 other people that I have to go through.
In post 299, Glitch wrote:

@NDMath: what are your views on Truth?

If it's a neighborhood it must strictly be with candyshop/blair because that's the only way it hasn't been outed yet.
So he's either mason or mafia. He isn't be the hang today, so I'm not gonna give further comment until it's a day we could realistically hang him

I believe the above posts indicate that the players are not masons with Truth.

Blair is the vig, I doubt she's a mason

I'm not a mason.

Truth is lying about his claim.

7) Cat Scratch Fever - DEAD
8) NDMath Rozyroz

I feel relatively confident that scum team is Glitch + Dunn by primarily poe. Case coming when I have more time. (Didn't want to write something during night in case vig shot proved it wrong.)

Blair wasn't killed because there's no utility in shooting tonight. And norwe was either more threatening or wifom.

I agree that mason partner should claim to prove truth. I'm not mason.

9) osuka - DEAD
10) LicketyQuickety - DEAD
11) Looker
12) popopopopopopo - DEAD
13) NorwegianboyEE - DEAD

[Dunnstral]

That's a lot of questions, Glitch. I'll try answering the one about if I think po is mafia.

I think po is most likely mafia but he may be town. If he is town, then it would be really bad if he shot me with his vigilante. That is why I asked the vigilante whoever they are not to shoot me.

Blair ignored my question and I don't like this. I think mafia sometimes dodge questions that are hard to answer.

• Why didn't you answer all of Glitch's questions?
  
• Why are you trying to deflect to Blair to do what you just did?

I don't think Looker would say "Why are you trying to deflect to Blair to do what you just did?" if he were a mason.

[Nauci]

Quick was drowning me in conspiracy theories and also arguing in bad faith - which I almost universally scumread so I was going to be struggling to sort him for the rest of the game, and I just can't imagine trying to sort him on top of sorting the rest of the game anywhere near endgame.

I have to admit that I still haven't read nearly 30 pages of the game (there are literally 50+ gaming community sexual abuse reports I have to address, STILL), but I fully support policy vigging Quick in a game like this at the time you did

"Totally unrelated" note, are there any mafia roles which would allow them to make multiple night kills?

[Blair]

Nauci you are the greatest for compiling those quotes.

As for multi-kill mafia roles... I'm not aware of any Normal roles that would facilitate that?

[Nauci]

Either Truth will be confirmed town or confirmed scum in a couple of days. So there's no point lynching him right now. Especially since i believe the slot is most likely town.

P.S. I feel like it is a towny thing to have been repeating this on Day 1, and that the people who kept coming back to FOS Truth for his garbage claim on Day 1 are actually the ones suspicious to me now.

[Blair]

I don't think Looker would say "Why are you trying to deflect to Blair to do what you just did?" if he were a mason.

He might. He wasn't explicitly scumreading him for it - it actually reads, to me, more like "I want to look like I'm addressing multiple people here" more than anything.

[Blair]

Either Truth will be confirmed town or confirmed scum in a couple of days. So there's no point lynching him right now. Especially since i believe the slot is most likely town.

P.S. I feel like it is a towny thing to have been repeating this on Day 1, and that the people who kept coming back to FOS Truth for his garbage claim on Day 1 are actually the ones suspicious to me now.

Who was doing this other than Quick?

[Nauci]

@Quick
Main gripe i have with your read on NDMath is that it makes no sense to me. What are you townreading him for? Confidence? I don’t see any confidence from him, he’s been choosing a safe stance of scumreading GL which is easy for scum to do because it would have been following in my footsteps.
His defense against my argument was meek and showed no confidence whatsoever. He was basically just saying: "Yup, you’re right. I can’t argue with you." Why would town!him do that? He’s scum that’s been coasting and don’t have anything to say in his defense when he was caught out for it except keep up an pretense of solving and voting yesterday’s wagon on GL.

Someone tell me if this has changed in any way

[Nauci]

Nauci you are the greatest for compiling those quotes.

As for multi-kill mafia roles... I'm not aware of any Normal roles that would facilitate that?

I think that this is the case because I just skimmed the wiki page again and couldn't find anything.

I believe this clears any doubt in my mind that you are a town vig because I don't know if anyone else in the game, town or scum, who would have shot Quick and was just secretly not counter claiming you somehow

Also I did not realize the Norwegian claim was odd night

PEdit: In the parts of Day 1 that I did read, IIRC Glitch and Osuka and possibly NDMath were also repeatedly talking about Truth's claim

Literally no one was posting on day 1 in the parts I read as if they could have been a mason buddy

[Blair]

Are you asking if NDMath is still coasting?

Because the answer is, "Yes."

[Nauci]

My new guess is that the talky people are town.
VOTE: NDMath
Still one of the worst slots.

What brought you to "The talky people are probably town."?

Fyi I just finished a scum game, mini theme 2145.
By some of the meta argument it supports the conclusion I'm scum this game so I'm bringing it up before someone else does.

was this real life lmao

[Nauci]

I gotta go make dinner but it feels like we're more deciding who to vig tonight than who to lynch at this point–something I think we should actually spend some time on because vigging is an open option once we burn the witch so don't end the day early y'all

P.S. Who was popopo protecting from wagon analysis w/ his self hammer because it sure as hell wasn't me

[Blair]

P.S. Who was popopo protecting from wagon analysis w/ his self hammer because it sure as hell wasn't me

If we accept the premise that he was saving a partner from hammering (sometimes a self-hammer is just a self-hammer), the off-wagon folks were:

Nauci
Glitch
Truth
NDMath

[Nauci]

I looked through literally dozens of Dunnstral's past games for lolhammers for that one game and I remember noticing that he was very, very frequently NOT on the lynch wagon as town, but that's not a strong enough memory to help me w/ reads rn

Did he get on the popopo wagon before or after you CCed?

[Nauci]

"Quick, how's the weather where you live?"

"No, I don't want to move to Botswana."

"...Huh?"

"Try to keep up Blair, good lord."

Blair, if I had the time I'd join every one of your games

[Dunnstral]

I looked through literally dozens of Dunnstral's past games for lolhammers for that one game and I remember noticing that he was very, very frequently NOT on the lynch wagon as town, but that's not a strong enough memory to help me w/ reads rn

Did he get on the popopo wagon before or after you CCed?

I voted in response to the cc

[Nauci]

I looked through literally dozens of Dunnstral's past games for lolhammers for that one game and I remember noticing that he was very, very frequently NOT on the lynch wagon as town, but that's not a strong enough memory to help me w/ reads rn

Did he get on the popopo wagon before or after you CCed?

I voted in response to the cc

dangit I guess no lazy POE for me

[Nauci]

Nauci seems Town to the naked eye, but I am not seeing anything that makes me think it isn't something Scum could post - especially considering Nauci's high use of meta as a playstyle. Not going to just assume Nauci is Town just because they have meta dove people.

I have a history of using meta and meta diving which I've successfully faked as scum that one time, and I've faked a lot of catch up walls, so I'm not even bothering with those this game and am trying to focus on real time interactions because goddamn was that hard to fake when I was scum

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianboyEE has been killed Night 2.

[Nauci]

osuka likes to post a lot of times close to each other. Is doing this instead of putting thoughts into one part a mafia tactic? It makes it look like he has a bigger presence or is more involved than he actually is. It gave me that impression too until I realised that it can be manipulated

Do people look at number of posts to see if someone is likely to be town or mafia?

i found myself typing "this has to be the most ridiculous thing in this thread" but then i quickly realized how many times i found myself typing that because of your posts

to quote myself, this is a shit post. contrast that to a shitpost, which is funny, and most definitely not a shit post (at least not necessarily).

I miss having Osuka around

[Nauci]

Looker is prob-town

How on Earth did you arrive at this during your catch up

[Truth]

I'm alive! I was so sure you would vigilante me, Blair.

I only went off the po wagon because I thought the vigilante could kill him instead without giving themselves away. I still thought he was mafia from day 1 to day 2.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler: Gah!