Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[maxwell]

BTW I’m ok killing off icon ig

Yeah its catchup was not great. 824 was the only post of theirs that I felt had some sort of worthy observation in it, but I don't really feel that read overall even if that is a bad line from RR.

[Hel]

Okay, Enough is Enough.

I am the Port Authority. I was waiting to claim to gauge reactions to Not Known's claim before this. I even distanced from the role by calling it "shipmaster".

As the IC Port Authority, I now have full control over this game. Starting from now, you must ask me for permission whenever you want to do any of the following:

• Place a vote
• Ask a question
• Grab a pagetop
• Post a non-anime meme

Breaking any of these rules will be considered a scumclaim. Once I am happy with the day's content, I will post someone's name, and we will IMMEDIATLEY

lynch

clown that person, no questions asked.

[Hel]

maxwell, you grabbed a pagetop without asking for my permission, but I will forgive this, since it was before I posted. Careful for next time.

[Something_Smart]

All right but I'm running out of patience for the aimless durdling most people produce when commenting on the setup.

I think the conversation is almost definitionally not aimless. It has a clear aim which is to answer a set of questions about optimal mechanical play; this is probably clearer than a lot of other discussions this game in terms of what the point actually is.

If you personally don't understand or care for it, that's fine. But that is not the same as it being objectively irrelevant.

[Iconeum]

The "PT slip" included herself Ico. Are you serious with this? Lmao.

i'm not, actually

but Hel asked me where the dislike came from and I answered it

[Iconeum]

You don't see a difference between Not Known 15's claim and all the joke claims? You can just tell NK15 isn't the type to joke around, and his claim looks serious in the way he way he lays out a plan after claiming.
In contrast to that, the other "claims" are brief and obviously jokes from people who have otherwise joked around this game.

Don't go trying to dumbtell with me, Ico; you really don't see a difference there?

there's an Obvious difference in joke-claims and what NK claimed, but that doesn't mean i have to buy it and i'm absolutely dead serious when i say i'm baffled that *literally anyone* is taking it seriously

and i'm also dead serious that i wanna see it mod confirmed on D2 or i'm deathtunneling there

[Iconeum]

Okay, Enough is Enough.

I am the Port Authority. I was waiting to claim to gauge reactions to Not Known's claim before this. I even distanced from the role by calling it "shipmaster".

As the IC Port Authority, I now have full control over this game. Starting from now, you must ask me for permission whenever you want to do any of the following:

• Place a vote
• Ask a question
• Grab a pagetop
• Post a non-anime meme

Breaking any of these rules will be considered a scumclaim. Once I am happy with the day's content, I will post someone's name, and we will IMMEDIATLEY

lynch

clown that person, no questions asked.

why the fuck were you questioning my doubt about someone claiming when you KNEW i was correct in the first place??????????????

that is, if you even are the actual port authorita

[Iconeum]

right, you wouldn't have questioned me that much if you were the actual PA so your claim is fake as well

gottit

[Something_Smart]

i'm absolutely dead serious when i say i'm baffled that *literally anyone* is taking it seriously

what, um

what exactly makes you think that NK15 does that as a joke?

[Something_Smart]

This is all very weird. Hel's claim WAS obviously a joke, because it was satirizing the way that NK15 wanted to control the game (ironic, since his request for control didn't cover the one thing that he NEEDS to control).

[Iconeum]

i'm absolutely dead serious when i say i'm baffled that *literally anyone* is taking it seriously

what, um

what exactly makes you think that NK15 does that as a joke?

well it just got CC'd

also never said he'd do it as a joke - i said i wanna talk about why someone would lie about it in the first place (if he doesn't turn IC on D2)

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Hel
May i take a bathroom break honorary Port Authority?

[Something_Smart]

You may not have meant to, but you did say he'd do it as a joke. To take something seriously means to believe that it is serious-- NOT to believe that it was true. We can accept that there's a possibility NK's claim was fake, while still recognizing that it was a real claim and not a shitpost. And that is what you appear to have an issue with-- us saying that it isn't a shitpost and that he really meant to make people think he's the PA.

(And FYI, it surprises me that you can't see that Hel's claim is clearly a shitpost. Is my explanation of why sufficient or would you like me to go more in detail?)

What exactly is your stance?

[Something_Smart]

i said i wanna talk about why someone would lie about it in the first place (if he doesn't turn IC on D2)

Sure, we can talk about this.

The answer is, they wouldn't! There is no conceivable benefit to lying about this, unless you are scum and you are so convinced that you will be executed on day 1 that you will do this to avoid it. So assuming that NK does not feel that way (and I would like to believe he gives himself more credit than that), he would not lie about this.

[Datisi]

I didn't really see anything worth responding to in 228 frankly - yes the Moment one was the one that stood out as TMI. I didn't find your reasons for townreading Moment especially compelling - I guess it was rude to ask and not acknowledge you though, so I appreciate you giving me an answer

i guess i'm more interested as to

why

- i gave out multiple reads in the same posts, all with the same level of explanation (i.e. none), so i found it weird that you'd single out that one read as TMI and ignore/not comment on the rest

re 683: can you tell me why you think posts like those are bad?

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621 From Datisi is a bad post.

pray tell?

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I don’t wanna make this into a metaphorical dick measuring contest of “oh I fooled you” “on no you didn’t” “oh well I could have lynched you” “oh no you couldn’t have”

kinda too late for that

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Datisi even explicitly said that he figured out the joke behind 14/17, and then asks whether or not it was a joke anyways in 469.

except that is literally not what i asked. in 271 i figured out what 82.35% meant (14/17), and i took it to mean mena's null on me, since that is the random chance of anyone being town. in 469 i was questioning him calling me his strongest (?) townread/lean/whatever

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hi ico why am i not townreading you

[Iconeum]

can we back up just a little bit i'm getting lost

I can see why you think Hel is taking the pun with the game right now - sure

But I don't see the problem you have with me not believing that claim from NK

[Iconeum]

i said i wanna talk about why someone would lie about it in the first place (if he doesn't turn IC on D2)

Sure, we can talk about this.

The answer is, they wouldn't! There is no conceivable benefit to lying about this, unless you are scum and you are so convinced that you will be executed on day 1 that you will do this to avoid it. So assuming that NK does not feel that way (and I would like to believe he gives himself more credit than that), he would not lie about this.

Who feels the same way about this?

[Iconeum]

hi ico why am i not townreading you

hello don't worry you will

[NorwegianboyEE]

From my experience with NK15 i could easily see them make a claim like this. (Even though i find it annoying that they did so)

[Something_Smart]

But I don't see the problem you have with me not believing that claim from NK

Not believing the claim and not taking it seriously are two very different things.

It sounds like you are taking it seriously, but not believing it. And you're having trouble understanding why people are believing it?

Even though there's every reason for the real PA to claim there, and I expect NK to know this, and there's every reason for the real PA to counterclaim if it's fake, and nobody has, and there's no good reason for any player, including the tomboy daughter, to fakeclaim it, and I expect NK to know this, and the claim can be confirmed tomorrow anyway, so there is little damage in assuming it is true.

Is that enough of an explanation for you?

[Iconeum]

From my experience with NK15 i could easily see them make a claim like this. (Even though i find it annoying that they did so)

fake or ?

[NorwegianboyEE]

From my experience with NK15 i could easily see them make a claim like this. (Even though i find it annoying that they did so)

fake or ?

Nah, real.

[Iconeum]

But I don't see the problem you have with me not believing that claim from NK

Not believing the claim and not taking it seriously are two very different things.

It sounds like you are taking it seriously, but not believing it. And you're having trouble understanding why people are believing it?

Even though there's every reason for the real PA to claim there, and I expect NK to know this, and there's every reason for the real PA to counterclaim if it's fake, and nobody has, and there's no good reason for any player, including the tomboy daughter, to fakeclaim it, and I expect NK to know this, and the claim can be confirmed tomorrow anyway, so there is little damage in assuming it is true.

Is that enough of an explanation for you?

Well ok then. I hate to do this right now but for some reason this shit Always happens (ask menal and datisi and even Alisae for what it's worth)

i'm the PA and i'm not fucking kidding

why the hell do you think i'm fighting for that claim here???

[Datisi]

i think the only possible benefits scum can get from fakeclaiming PA like that are being able to somewhat control the day's execution/inspection and possibly reading the reactions to the claim hoping to spot the TD - for the drawback that one scum definitely gets executed day 2 so i don't think it's likely

pedit: ...

[Iconeum]

i suggest we lynch outside of the claims today, and the real PA will show up tomorrow anyway giving town that 'free scum lynch'