Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

331 P14
452 P19

I do not believe BW was ignorant of recent events. I know pretty much zero players who don't keep up with the new stuff in their catching up. It's going to be a hard sell to get me off BM, but he's counting on lynching me anyways, so we'll see.

BW is me?

I'm not ignorant of recent events insofar as I know about the fakeclaim - I've said this of course. But I'm reading through in order to understand and give my thoughts on things in the order they transpired, as far as possible.

Are you voting for me currently? And you're insinuating I'm feigning ignorance of current events with my catch-up style? Eh, not a fan of that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Eh, not a fan of that.

I don't need fans to be this good.

VOTE: BM

[ClarkBar]

And I will tell you, I was excited to be the hammer. I've never done it before.

Hold up, that's not true. Sorry Jam!

But this is different than a Lylo where I was pretty unsure of the 50/50 situation I was facing.

[Battle Mage]

This fits nicely with my LL-LQ solve.

Just what kind of backwards ass country do you come from where w/w play like this?

what's your point?

Mistake.

You ARE keeping up with current events. Not sure how you can wiggle out of your LL/LQ solve now.

If this is an attempt to shade me, it's weak, as per my previous post.

Regards my LL-LQ solve, I've been in the same spot as you before - scum with someone you clash with personally, and who is simultaneously kamikaze and can't hold it together. I did exactly what you're doing: Bus as much as possible without actually playing against my wincon.

[Battle Mage]

Eh, not a fan of that.

I don't need fans to be this good.

VOTE: BM

To be clear, this is purely because I pegged you as scum?

[TheThirteenthJT]

I'm going through your ISO currently. But a quick summary of what I'm seeing. It is based on your stance of LL/Porkens as well as your stance on replacement players. You defend LL hard and slowly worked your way to turning on them. But you teased a vote multiple times and it wasn't until you realized you weren't the hammer that you finally jumped on the wagon. Basically it comes down that you wanted any reason to join the wagon but we're too afraid to hammer so shied away.

Yes, my opinion of LL did change, even after the claim. But several opinions of mine changed while rereading for 465 and if more clarity on my thought process is needed I'm happy to oblige.

Did I defend LL hard? I just didn't mind his push on Blopp and thought the ART was not as reachy as some were implying. I turned on him pretty fast actually. What's my stance on replacement players and why is it bad?

And I will tell you, I was excited to be the hammer. I've never done it before, I was going to post a M.C. Hammer "hammer time" gif and everything. But we had people like Looker and BM who were still catching up/giving reactions and so I was being patient. And then it turned out my vote math was wrong. If somebody claims intent I would actually request they let me unvote, then they put Pork at L-1 so I can then hammer.

You took a stance a few times of wanting to wait for a replacement and not wanting to hold them too much to their previous players plays because they be able to answer why certain. Things were done. . 465 is an important post in regards to this. You stated you are ok waiting for a replacement but it won't matter what they say. This should have been a hammer then. Or at least asked to this if everyone was ok with it. Even I had my questions at the time of going through the trouble of waiting for a replacement to that slot since it just felt like it was in a bad spot. Voting for Porkens on LLs play is the easiest thing to do right now.

Be careful hammering is addicting. The power... the GLORY! You do it once you'll crave it against and again. I've salivated a few times wanting to hammer but knowing it wasnt the time or place lol.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage replaces Blopp.

See this is an issue now, I don't like playing with Battle Mage, I feel like he's too important as asset for town as scum and town, which is just a huge pain.

is that a compliment? <3

I don't want to scare you, but I'm on a rich vein of scumhunting form at the moment!

No pressure, but if you don't eliminate scum today, I'm eliminating you tomorrow

you'd better sheep me today then!

If I'm not mistaking, that's 4 votes. I have a TPR. Let's move on.

Not sure if this was discussed yet but if you have a tpr you need to claim the exact role. That's why we have a matrix setup. So we can confirm/deny it was a cc

No....

Noone has claimed intent to hammer. Why would we get an exact role claim?

since when was claiming "unspecified town PR" a thing?

Idk y i thought BM posted that. The point still stands, I don;t see why that is town "good thinking"

take the blinkers off

I don't see how PR speculation helps town at all.
Its just a matter of do you believe !TownPR-LL claims in that spot or not within the current gamestate. Nothing about the claim seemed fake to me.

this didn't age well

I don't see how PR speculation helps town at all.
Its just a matter of do you believe !TownPR-LL claims in that spot or not within the current gamestate. Nothing about the claim seemed fake to me.

I don't believe the claim. A TPR wouldn't claim so quick. And Lucky says he has experience in newbie games. He wouldn't claim the second he was put at E-1 without any intent. Its like he was waiting for that

obviously some townie cred for Raya here.

[ClarkBar]

You took a stance a few times of wanting to wait for a replacement and not wanting to hold them too much to their previous players plays because they be able to answer why certain. Things were done. . 465 is an important post in regards to this. You stated you are ok waiting for a replacement but it won't matter what they say.

Yeah, but the replacements I did want to hear from had just come into the game and were catching up. It's true about Porkens, there's nothing she can really do to address my issues.

This should have been a hammer then. Or at least asked to this if everyone was ok with it. Even I had my questions at the time of going through the trouble of waiting for a replacement to that slot since it just felt like it was in a bad spot. Voting for Porkens on LLs play is the easiest thing to do right now.

I think you're right, I should have made my intent really clear here and asked if there were any objections. I have no defense for that other than it didn't occur to me. You're also right that voting for Porkens on LL's play is an easy thing to do- but for good reason. I take it you think it's a town slot? Have you talked about this already and I missed it?

[LicketyQuickety]

Eh, not a fan of that.

I don't need fans to be this good.

VOTE: BM

To be clear, this is purely because I pegged you as scum?

What do you think? How bad at Scum do you actually think I am here?

[Battle Mage]

I'm almost done with my wallpost. The short version is that I know I'm town, so I know that his perspective's matching mine WRT Blopp and Raya means he's likely got a townie starting point with his read to the game. I know that's not useful to you, but I'm also going to advocate you eliminate my slot, at which point you should see that 72o's obvtown.

He didn't just sheep me either, he gave independent original thoughts that shared my perspective of the game.

This wasn't exactly true. 72 had 2 thoughts on the Blopp wagon - one was parroting the logically flawed LAMIST argument from Lucky, and the other was something about not liking a smiley face.

Not clear how Lucky-town implies 72-town, but Lucky-scum making this argument further suggests 72-town (too much association).

[Battle Mage]

Eh, not a fan of that.

I don't need fans to be this good.

VOTE: BM

To be clear, this is purely because I pegged you as scum?

What do you think? How bad at Scum do you actually think I am

here

?

Is that a "I'm too scummy to be scum" defense? It's not a personal thing - I haven't implied you're a bad player, and I think you've done exactly what I would have done in your situation in your interactions towards Lucky. Ironically, you've essentially mimicked his play towards my predecessor here. Speaking of "here", interesting you use that word above. Possible slip?

[Battle Mage]

I'll go from page 19, and the big reveal tomorrow!

[Looker]

You're fuckin twelve years old?

[TheThirteenthJT]

My one concern is that you want to flip LL before seeing who replaces that slot. That's a bit of a concern but not a huge one.

Did I say that? I'm cool with a replacement coming in and getting a chance to put their two cents in. If I didn't care about that I would've just hammered. The reality is though that after organizing my thoughts better it became clear to me that the LL slot is, in my opinion, the best execution available to us. I don't know what a replacement could offer us, but I'm willing to be patient to find out.

Other than that, I think if you keep playing you could be a fine player and have already shown you have the analytical capabilities to be a pretty good Town player even if you are Scum here.

I appreciate that. My analytical capabilities have so far proved disastrous, but sally forth I must.

....

[LicketyQuickety]

You're fuckin twelve years old?

I lol'd and am TRing you for this joke.

[ClarkBar]

Well shit, If I had remembered 467 I would have brought it up! There you go, that was my frame of mind. Looks like I followed through on what I said to boot.

So your issue is that I don't think that Porkens can effectively defend LL's actions? She has said so herself. Just because there is a replacement does not mean the slot is given a clean slate.

[Porkens]

You're fuckin twelve years old?

I lol'd and am TRing you for this joke.

That’s not a joke...

[Porkens]

Well shit, If I had remembered 467 I would have brought it up! There you go, that was my frame of mind. Looks like I followed through on what I said to boot.

So your issue is that I don't think that Porkens can effectively defend LL's actions? She has said so herself. Just because there is a replacement does not mean the slot is given a clean slate.

I remember some one saying something about benefit of the doubt something something

[ClarkBar]

Who's twelve years old? Where did this come from?

[Porkens]

Nobody tell him.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Well shit, If I had remembered 467 I would have brought it up! There you go, that was my frame of mind. Looks like I followed through on what I said to boot.

So your issue is that I don't think that Porkens can effectively defend LL's actions? She has said so herself. Just because there is a replacement does not mean the slot is given a clean slate.

So what would you say if someone says to give them a clean slate the?

And further, why would you contradict yourself a few times now. Your answering seems to be to just fit along with whomever is asking you the question and responding with what you think they would like versus sticking to your resolve

[ClarkBar]

I remember some one saying something about benefit of the doubt something something

Was that person me? Well I gave the Homura replacement the benefit of the doubt despite having my vote on that slot for the bulk of the game. Same with our other replacements. The difference with you is that I'm as sure as I can be that your slot is scum. So I'm happy to engage with you and you seem very nice. But...

[ClarkBar]

Nobody tell him.

I hate not being in on a joke.

@FJ13: I'm sorry if it seems I'm contradicting myself. I feel like I'm not, but ok. Why would I say ok to somebody asking to wipe the slate clean? Why would I ignore things that happened in a game simply because there is a different player in the slot?

[LicketyQuickety]

Nobody tell him.

I thought there was an age restriction for this site?

[LicketyQuickety]

Which is weird. I recently had someone ask me if you had to pay to be on this site.

Like, I am pretty sure no one is 12 yo on this site.