Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

[keyenpeydee]

Vote count 3.04

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[L-1] Nash

- Mikul, Nash

[2] Not Voting

- Town looter, Micc, LicketyQuickety,

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#AllBlackLivesMatter

[Mikul]

im so sorry i didnt catch up on this, have been really busy. Will tomorrow 100 percent

[Town looter]

Sorry, it should have been NoooOOOOoooooOOOooooo!!!! as it was lamenting Ydrasse being likely to flip town (at this point they would have little reason to lie). It was right about here my little confirmation bias bubble popped.

This would be a lot easier if you story didn't keep changing.

I wrote out a couple of paragraphs but just deleted, because, fuck it, I don't think I am changing my story? There are some minor miscommunications and perceived inconsistencies because we are looking at things through a different lens. But fundamentally I don't think I have been inconsistent.

Therefore I am going to assume you are simply prompting responses out of me. I don't really have an interest in dancing this little dance any more (if that is what is happening), partly because I don't think it will help town (much in the same way Arthur's reactions didn't help town), and partly because I take a long time to post (I am a slow deliberate person) and I have better things to do with my time.

So where to next, Mr Quickety?

[Mikul]

im not able to read through this all but will tomorrow but common sense would tell you nash is scum

hes at l1 and there is no hammer

im confirmed town, so if he was town both mafia would have hammered him already

[Town looter]

Oh lol, yeah we confirmed Nash scum pages ago. Even he stopped fighting it.

[Mikul]

Okay

So yeah Nash is confirmed scum.

TL is town. Again I won't be able to shake this. Nothing that has happened has changed my read of this

I think mic is scum

Forcing me to say who I jk let's him determine what he does. If he is scum and I claim someone that is not him he knows he can waive the nk to look like I blocked the nk since I would likely be the nk target.

I'm not saying who I'm going to block.

I may target mic or I may target someone else to poe down people if there is a nk.

[Mikul]

Also as early as 305 tl had been putting pressure on Nash for no reason. He wouldn't do this as scum unless he was actively trying to bus

[Nash]

This isn't defeat lol.. My partner Mikul will surely win this for us.

[Mikul]

I will die but gun to my head it's Nash / Mic

I've jk both votato and lick so that means Nash was carrying out the kills

It also means he is rb. It's why I was not rbed last night phase. He rbed and liked Luna at the same time

So last person would be a goon. Mics push for me to claim my target is also very hinty at the fact he knows my jk will work and help him determine if he's going to waive.

[Mikul]

And killed *

[Mikul]

Add that to the fact I don't see herald quitting the way he did as scum. I just don't see it , especially since Nash is confirmed

To boot votato already knew you could submit night actions for your partner is one of his early posts so np1 he prob submited the rb since Nash's old slot was awol

[Micc]

I think youre misunderstanding why you should claim a jailkeep target. It’s not for the situation where no nightkill goes through. That situation is WIFOM and I’d completely ignore who the JK target was. But claiming a JK target is *very* important for the exact situation where nash is RB and you turn up dead overnight. In that situation we get a confirmed Townie and 1/3 odds turn into 1/2. It’s strictly upside. And as long as you recognize mafia can introduce WIFOM regardless of what you as the JK do, and thus ignore night actions in those scenarios, there is no downside.

This is an opinion I have about mafia theory. I’d express it as any alignment, so you reading me as mafia for expressing it is silly.

While I’m here, your N2 jailkeep on LQ means absolutely nothing considering you were already outed and 100% to be roleblocked.

[Micc]

Sorry, it should have been NoooOOOOoooooOOOooooo!!!! as it was lamenting Ydrasse being likely to flip town (at this point they would have little reason to lie). It was right about here my little confirmation bias bubble popped.

This would be a lot easier if you story didn't keep changing.

Please cite your sources for this one. I don’t see it.

This feels like big time shading of TL to me

[Nash]

Can I go to the dead thread now?
Hammer me please.

[Mikul]

I think youre misunderstanding why you should claim a jailkeep target. It’s not for the situation where no nightkill goes through. That situation is WIFOM and I’d completely ignore who the JK target was. But claiming a JK target is *very* important for the exact situation where nash is RB and you turn up dead overnight. In that situation we get a confirmed Townie and 1/3 odds turn into 1/2. It’s strictly upside. And as long as you recognize mafia can introduce WIFOM regardless of what you as the JK do, and thus ignore night actions in those scenarios, there is no downside.

This is an opinion I have about mafia theory. I’d express it as any alignment, so you reading me as mafia for expressing it is silly.

While I’m here, your N2 jailkeep on LQ means absolutely nothing considering you were already outed and 100% to be roleblocked.

I agree it has no merit but Im near 100 percent that Nash is rb and a goon will be left. I also was not rbed, so that means Nash was the rb and carrying kills at the same time. And likely on the same target.

What I don't like about claiming is that it gives mafia a heads-up on what is happening. Whether they want to leave me alive and whether to waive. I agree if I end up dead it helps but that is very likely not going to happen for the reasons you mentioned.

I'm going to target lick



* Please note , do not use this jk last dp for any analysis unless I'm dead

[Micc]

I also was not rbed

you have no way of knowing this. stop using it for analysis

[Nash]

Interesting...

[Mikul]

I also was not rbed

you have no way of knowing this. stop using it for analysis

Unless another person told me wrong, it would tell you that your action failed.


@mod would I be informed of it failed.

[Mikul]

That*

[Nash]

Is this a good time to cc Jailkeeper?

[Mikul]

The reason I want to know this is because whether I'd succeeded offers some form of Poe even if it's marginal. And I swear someone told me that it would say I was informed

[Micc]

very likely not going to happen for the reasons you mentioned.

which is absolutely fine because then you, a confirmed town voice makes it to final 4.

i've even taken it a step farther and said i'm comfortable agreeing on a final elimination during this day phase. right now i think that final elimination should be LQ, but I'm still evaluating and not quite set

I also was not rbed

you have no way of knowing this. stop using it for analysis

Unless another person told me wrong, it would tell you that your action failed.


@mod would I be informed of it failed.

i've moderated upwards of 30 newbie games. you would not be told your action failed as a jailkeeper who was roleblocked. tracker on the other had would know by virtue of receiving "no result" instead of "no one" or "name".

[Mikul]

Interesting, votato was not new correct ?

He misinformed me that a pr would day it failed earlier in the game.

[Micc]

votato had only been on site a few months. i can't speak to how much experience he had playing elsewhere.

can you quote that exchange for me? i don't remember seeing it

[Nash]

I'm actually an odd-night bulletproof 1 shot even-night voyeur.