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[Galron]

I don’t really get how people think Dunn’s town when all he’s done is complain that people are scumreading him

He's made some decent pushes.

[Galron]

VOTE: notscience

bad faith argument

This is an overreaction. Are you voting him for anything else?

[notscience]

Which pushes?

[UnaBombaH]

I think Dunn has made "brave" pushes.
Against the current in a way?

I think my earlier assessment that he is stirring the pot is fair.
I'd like to think it's a towny thing to do because it gives people something to talk about and forces others to reconsider their stances.
My only problem currently is that we have pretty much started to run up almost every slot in the game so far with only a few exceptions.
And I do not see a clear choice for a D1-lynch anymore.

[UnaBombaH]

@notscience - you seem to have a rather pessimistic view towards my posts regarding you.
I guess I have sort of deserved that since I at least lowkey scumread you throughout the last game.
But can you see why that makes me wonder whether it's just you being defensive?

[UnaBombaH]

Yes I am, and I pointed to why

I thought they were trying to stir the pot and scavenge some reads from that,

I kind of was with Isis/Hoopla. I think some of the things Hoopla has been pushing is questionable

Is it fair to say that you'd be most pleased with a lynch within Isis/Hoopla/notscience?

[notscience]

Probably.

I’ll try to phase out of it I just think we have playstyle clashes

[UnaBombaH]

Probably.

I’ll try to phase out of it I just think we have playstyle clashes

Agreed.
Now let's both try and look beyond that and maybe look for a reasonable lynch.

What do you think of Dunn scumreading you?
Does it feel like a natural process to you?
I have a clear opinion on their slot as of now, but I'd like to hear your opinions first.

[notscience]

i don’t like how he referred to me as shading him early, it made me actually start doing it some I think. I didn’t start until he said I was doing it when I wasn’t. I’ll find my quotes later.

I also think he’s doing this weird thing re my shade where he’s like “I’m not gonna fall for it” then votes me.

But the way his read around myself felt weird and he keeps doing this “woe is me I’m the only person getting attention for this thing” and it’s happened a few times this game. I don’t know if it’s my memory or what it just feels weird from him?

[UnaBombaH]

My feeling is that they are intentionally holding back a little, and succumb to surface-level reads because of that.
The way they have stirred conversation always feels towny to me, but might actually turn out to be something upon a red flip on them later.
Because what it has managed to do everytime, is that our (meaning the vocal minority/majority creating wagons atm) focus has either shifted or halted.

I literally feel like I've been manipulated to scumlean almost every slot in the game so far, and I'm not sure if it's just my old habits of having a tinfoil-paranoia, or if someone has been pulling the strings.
I believe Hoopla might have been the one, as much as I believe it could've been Dunn.
Yet neither of them seem outright scummy to me, which makes me think we might've been on the right track already with the earlier wagons we had.
And then just succumbed to overthinking.

[notscience]

Gera disappearing is weird but idk if scum indicative

I feel like if anyone is stoking paranoia it’s hoops.

[Bellaphant]

I think Dunn has made "brave" pushes.
Against the current in a way?

I think my earlier assessment that he is stirring the pot is fair.
I'd like to think it's a towny thing to do because it gives people something to talk about and forces others to reconsider their stances.
My only problem currently is that we have pretty much started to run up almost every slot in the game so far with only a few exceptions.
And I do not see a clear choice for a D1-lynch anymore.

The stuff about dun here is demonstrably false? Apart from the Bob 1 post weirdness (which like...could actually be scum distancing) he's voted me, which got up to a wagon of...3, and hoops, which got to e-2. How are these brave pushes?

Although I do agree I'm basically scum binning half the game, but we have a lack of content.

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, the vote on you was weird , but the scum read on notty has been fairly consistent, and popo isn't a vote that's like... radical, I'd vote there myself.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

I have returned. Please flashlynch me without mercy if I haven't finished catching up tonight.

[geraintm]

Gera disappearing is weird but idk if scum indicative

I feel like if anyone is stoking paranoia it’s hoops.

Its weekend, I look kver the thread but generally wait until Monday to catch up

[notscience]

Heard all good!

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

Bob leaving 2 lines between sentences is an interesting stylistic choice. Perhaps an attempt to make his posts look bigger and more intimidating? Bob criticising Gera for playing off his town-meta when that's just what Gera accused Bob off feels reactionary in a way which scum might react. It's hard to articulate but I think scum are more likely to respond in an equal accusatory manner, as if he's trying to 'win' and find similar logic to hit back at on Gera. Unless this is a high calibre joke that's gone over my Kabuto. Is it,

@Bob

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Galron's improved his rate of solving and I feel better about him.
287: The emojis don't stop coming. Is there ever a good situation to use the giggling emoji? Someone explain why we shouldn't policy lynch users of it please.
geraintm feels narcissistic.



Liking notscience. Agree that gera engaging is town-indicative, and Bob spinning it as scum-indicative off meta seems manipulative. However, I don't like the confidence with which he calls gera town but that may be a playstyle choice.
At page 15. I hope the THREE lines of space between paragraphs makes me seem imposing and commanding.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

What in the world. How do you even manage to use so many emojis in one post, and in that symmetrical structure no less. If a single laughing emoji is 1 second of laughter, Una was laughing for

14 seconds

straight there. I'm very doubtful.
Hoopla calling the Gera wagon all town when it has popo and Bob on it is a bloopla.
377: Good post from Klick.

Sujimichi has been prodded. It will count as an official prod in (expired on 2020-07-08 00:15:00). I will start looking for a replacement if he doesn't post in (expired on 2020-07-09 00:15:00)

Mod

are you looking for replacement?

Yes, but as of the time of writing this post, I am still typing the post.

There is no need. I have come in as Sujimichi's replacement.

I don't like these posts from Isis:

Isis your scumread on me feels incredibly easy.

I know, I don't trust it either

well geez, I get falsley listed as being on the wagon, popopo gets a flipping medal

Okay, then what do you think about it Hoopla?
Because I think it's rly weird

I think it might mean you're town and so were the people pushing you
That's what I'd say if I was a big picture person
I'm a very tiny details type of player, though, usually

If you haven't already, could you elaborate on the last one, Isis? I would think your given logic would make Klick more likely scum than town.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

Bob is my top scumread at the time of writing. I see I will be joining great company such as the likes of emperors on this wagon.

VOTE: Bob

[bob3141]

Bob is my top scumread at the time of writing. I see I will be joining great company such as the likes of emperors on this wagon.

VOTE: Bob

You hve yet to come up with a reason as to explain your scum read on me.


Your two sentance thing is beyond a joke. Ive never seen anything more reachy



You even misrep me big time.


I said i think that gerain is not playing like his town meta.


You make the absurd claim i scum read him for playing to his town meta.

So what is it?



Your not going to say to try and be absurd and say spacing sentances so its easier to read is a scum tell. lol

[bob3141]

i don't even remember why i voted for him tbh

Because i made a joke about your avatar

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

That's why I scumread you, Bob. Because you say Gera is playing differently to his last (assumedly town) game, and conclude he's scum for it rather than examining his content for this game, which has been good. The timing of it right after he accuses you of being off-meta I also dislike.




I notice you left several 3 line gaps in that post. Impressive.





Two can play at this game.

[bob3141]

What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

Taking stances so early so not you gerain. Giving reads with excessive pressure being placed on you. Certainly not town you.


And your example is blatant misrep. IN your example what happened is that I started pushing you as you would take no stances. I started the wagon although tried breaking up when alert started to look like obvious scum.


And the game is only 2 days old. So you really are cherry picking meta. Since you want to use meta. Look at all my games and tell us if your theory still stands.

I was asked an opinion, I gave it. it wasn't meant to be a strong read on you, I didn't vote or anything.
and was it you who started the wagon on me? I didn't remember that bit,sorry. but even so, you just said in that one you started a wagon and were more active, this game you hadn't done anything like that. so my view on you being much more passive I think was fair

Thats a bit more like town you.


If your are town. In general my activity can range from hyper active to very passsive. from short fire posts to wordy posts.

Just based on how i feel about the game and if ive actual got into to yet. My least active day one was a game that had a player list that was like powder cake of drama. I was like ill start playign after all the rep outs happen

[bob3141]

That's why I scumread you, Bob. Because you say Gera is playing differently to his last (assumedly town) game, and conclude he's scum for it rather than examining his content for this game, which has been good. The timing of it right after he accuses you of being off-meta I also dislike.




I notice you left several 3 line gaps in that post. Impressive.





Two can play at this game.

Then your either scum or have realy shallow reads.



Also why are you talking to me as though you know im town rather than talking to me as if i was scum. As you're claiming a scum read on me. Your wording/ mannar of your argument does not match your read.


You say you scum read me for concluding that gerian is scum. Hence you are saying that you scum read me for not knowing gerain alignment. And only town don't know a players alignment. So your own reasoning would imply that im town but misguided in my push.

Then you say I can't have examined his content. Which would imply that from your pov I must be town. As you say you claim to think I have not examined something.



So why do you think I have wrongly concluded gerain is scum . When a scum me would already know every player's alignment?


Why do you think a scum me would even vote gerain?

Why do you think a town me would not scum read gerain for his misrep?

Why do you think a town me would not think at the time of my vote that gerain was shading me after seeing a wagon build up?
Why do you think that a town me would never think gerain was being opportunistic?

[bob3141]

Oh and RFS why have you not answered my question.


What is your read on una?