Newbie 2018: Ferrets [GAME OVER]

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.3

GuiltyLion

(2): SJReaver, beeboy

Pearofclubs

(2): Ydrasse, GuiltyLion

SJReaver

(2): mujie, midwaybear

mujie

(1): Pearofclubs

Not voting

(2): WaltertheDunce10, clidd

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-19 22:19:00)

[Pearofclubs]

@Sjreaver Oh, you. I'm sure the town will have a pool party soon enough

And yeah, the disproportionate reaction. I gotcha.

I don't mean that you're so scummy you're townie.
I meant scum wouldn't want the attention that those sorts of posts would give you.
In particular, the way Bee jumped in the pool with you, so as to ensure that it was deep enough for the lead shoes to do their work, purely because he liked your energy. A vote based on such a small thing seems unlikely for an experienced scum.

And I've been more than capable of admitting that my line of reasoning may we'll make no sense at all :p

[SJReaver]

I think some pressure will help sort things out
VOTE: SJReaver

How can I help?

[midwaybear]

I do not think your attack on guiltylion is a good one, and if you continue, I will actually scumread you because it’s not in good faith. You seem to be trying to antagonize him in 148.

[midwaybear]

I think you are tunneling him, and you really need to reconsider whether his reaction comes from frustrated town or frustrated scum. For one, I don’t think he pushes you so hard to answer his question if he was scum.

[Ydrasse]

@midway: do you think sj vs guilty is tvt, tvs, or svs?

also i don't have a question that i can recall for you sj.

[WaltertheDunce10]

I do not think your attack on guiltylion is a good one, and if you continue, I will actually scumread you because it’s not in good faith. You seem to be trying to antagonize him in 148.

So what sr does is dependent on you warning him?
I agree.
What about the push on Gl sticks out to you?

[clidd]

I'm back.

My mind is still thinking about several things, but I believe that filling the topic will break the conversation dynamic, so I intend to be more patient in revealing my personal inferences.

[clidd]

@Mujie

To Clidd: What experience do you have with Mafia?

I have some years of experience with face-to-face mafia, but MafiaScum is the first site that I really joined to play more seriously, different from platforms like EM and ToS.

I can describe in more detail my timeline on the subject, if it is of interest.

[clidd]

By the way, my post-read on Mujie is completed.

[clidd]

Bla, bla bla:

Spoiler:

Firstly, it is interesting to note that my point of view addresses angles that may seem a little abstract and, because of that, they end up creating the sensation of a confused line of reasoning. This particularity is obviously not purposeful and I have tried to work to improve the fluency of my texts, in order to avoid gaps in content, but I believe that I have no affinity with any other cognitive process that allows me to interact with the game in the way I interact since I started playing on the forum 6 months ago. I don't know if the language barrier has an impact on that (English is not my native language), but I have been trying for a while to simplify my playstyle, linguistically speaking, based on the vocabulary I know about the language. Therefore, if you identify phrases, explanations or terms that seem confused, I ask you to emphasize these fragments and let me know later, so that I can clarify more objectively.

When I say ''you'', I am referring to everyone present in the playerlist.

Now, going back to the game, which is the most important, I evaluated the answers that Mujie gave me in posts 107 and 121, dividing them into paragraphs:

Spoiler:

1.

That's not what I meant. I know what I'd do, and I had an answer planned. But my explanation involved how I'd decide who I'd kill that night. Which, if the mafia is still figuring stuff out, it might help them. Especially a long term plan could give a newer mafia ideas. OK, I'll say what I'd do outwardly rather than my inward thoughts or long. Well, the last MS I played I was scum, and I think I had less time on my hands, so I couldn't... But if I was scum now, I'd still try to stay active. Well, I can't speak for MS because I've only properly played as the Maf in EM. But I'd like to think, at least during day 1, I'd act the same as I would if I were town. It's day 2 when it gets hard, with claims and counter claims and trying to make sure you don't say the real cop is innocent. But here day 1 starts before night 1, so it makes it simpler imo. I hope if I was maf I'd act the same way I am now, but I won't know for sure until I become a maf.

- In his reply to the first question, which was expressed later due to my insistence, he clarifies that the absence of a direct answer on the matter was due to the fact that this could help the mafia, indicating that by revealing in an imaginary way his course of ideal actions, in a hypothetical scenario where he was scum, there would be a leak of interpretations that would be helping the players belonging to the mafia alignment. Which is something he had already mentioned when he refused, initially, to answer my first question, about the pretext of concern about the repercussions that this type of speculation could generate. It is, if I am not mistaken, the third or fourth time that I notice a trace of genuine insecurity coming from him, which made a positive impression on me when I noticed that he had refused to answer the prompt question. The speculation that he provided, after the reintroduction of the idea of ​​opposition that he suggested during the first line, is within a generic margin that I see no difficulty in a scum forging, as it is poor in detail and does not agree with the spectrum of genuine impressions that I had felt with the insecurity traits presented, although it is consistent with the stance of doubt that is connected to insecurity, but that has not yet evolved appropriately for the classification of ''fear'', keeping in mind that he does not "curve" in the face of highly contrary ideas.

[Partly towny]

2.

Well, after your question 1, I'm suspicious of you. I don't know how old a player you are and I'm not gonna check your post history, because I don't want to metagame this. On the one hand, you're an SE, and I'm not arrogant enough to think you'd learn anything from my answer to the question. On the other hand, you're an SE. You should know better than to ask a question that would give hints to the mafia. (Again, this depends on how old a player you are. So, if you don't mind me asking, what's your experience on the site? Asking you about it is fair game to me, but spying, not my style.) My other other biggest suspect is Beeboy. SJReaver didn't give much of a reason for his vote on Guilty. So SJ, what was your reason for voting for Guilty? The strange thing though is the Beeboy jumped on straight away, implying the reason was because of SJ's energy. So Beeboy, did you have another reason for voting for guilty?

- In his reply to the second question, he mentions that he would be suspicious about me, influenced by question 1, where he probably interpreted the question's intention as potentially malicious and associated with a scum mentality, where, theoretically, his FoS had arisen. The comparison of my experience with the reason for the question is a good observation, within the context in which I, hypothetically, would have no reason to ask something that would be harmful to my own alignment, considering that I would know the segmentations of the consequences involved in the speculation on the course of action suggestively beneficial to scum alignment. After that, he announces the second suspect, which is somewhat obvious from the interaction of this individual, in particular, with SJ (who is the primary suspect). There is an association that he considers scummy, unconsciously, in the collaboration between SJ and Beeboy, which is logically understandable with the doubt he formulates in relation to the two votes. I interpret his motivations as true, although there is no greater reflection, linked to the interest of searching for more information (meta), about the read on my slot, which is basically a characteristic that he demonstrated when addressing his read on SJ in a primary way. In any case, it does not escape the set of genuine impressions that I detected in the text before and above. (I'll answer your question outside the spoiler)

[Towny]

3.

I'd rather not say. It's not fair on the player who replaces the players to judge them based on the actions of their previous player cause the new player wasn't the one that made that mistake. You're free to make your own deductions, but I'm not gonna help with that.

- In his answer to the third question, he shows a certain neglect when addressing the subject of substitutions, and presents emotional micro-expressions when expressing that it would not be fair for current players to be treated so hard because of predecessors, which is not necessarily AI.

[NAI]

4.

That's not based on Mafia experience, but more some amateur psycho-analysis. It's like PearofClubs said, the manufacturing makes my posts seem scummy. But I'd put out it's slightly different. When you're under pressure, you're more likely to think carefully. When someone tells you something, you're going to try to avoid people thinking that, even if it's not true. Example: If someone thinks you hate someone. It's not true, but you are careful to not say anything bad about the person after that because of it.

Now, here's the difference. I'm putting more thought into my posts because of the pressure of being voted on. SJ was voted 2 minutes before he posted. The post could not have been written in just 2 minutes, meaning he wrote it without the pressure of a vote on him. Then where could the pressure to manufacture a post like that come from? The pressure of having the perfect post? Being mafia.

That said, I can't remember who, but someone said SJ could have just been eager. Which is fair and SJ definitely does seem like an eager player. But for now, the vote on Guilty is still suspicious.

- In his answer to the fourth question, he elucidates how the process of being under pressure works from his perspective, consistently exemplifying the need for an accused, innocent, to take measures to avoid aggravating the situation. In the sequence, he extends this view to justify the effort reflected in the posts in response to the pressure exerted on him, and at the same time use a hook to clarify why the interpretation of the effort element, in the context of SJ would be something scummy, using the argument that because he wasn’t in an atmosphere of pressure, SJ wouldn’t have the ideological need to write much in the first post, as he wasn’t experiencing any pressures in that specific period of time. Which is a plausible observation, but which does not exactly enter the interpersonal sphere, that is, it does not consider how the SJ's player profile could have influenced it. But, regardless of this particularity, it is pleasant, in my eyes, to follow this line of reasoning, because, again, it reflects the same feeling of genuineness that I have highlighted more than once about him.

[Towny]

5.

Of course. When you're more likely to die, you're gonna be more cautious. Everything I say is under a microscope atm, so even though I'm not Mafia, the fact that I'm under the pressure atm means that I have to be more careful about what I say.

- Extension of the answer to question 4.

[NAI]

6.

The general rule for classic mode epicmafia (1 cop, 1 doc, 2 maf and 3 villagers) is: The cop will only reveal himself day 1 if he has a guilty verdict. I've said before, but a, I like to twist comments to make them seem better, and also was hoping it would confuse the Mafia.

- Generically mechanical, not suggestive.

[NAI]

In case you are not comfortable reading, I have my conclusion about the slot below:

Conclusion:

- Bearing in mind the impressions already cited in post 70, and my personal interpretation of the way Mujie expresses his opinions, I believe that the set of genuineness, insecurity and neglect through antagonistic opinions, also including the simplified elaboration that he had in post 107 filled with answers, mostly satisfactory, and the subtle parallel rescues of experience about EM applied to assist the experience gap in MS, create an atmosphere of positive impression on the slot, which I am currently classifying as a

TL

.

[midwaybear]

@midway: do you think sj vs guilty is tvt, tvs, or svs?

also i don't have a question that i can recall for you sj.

I think I will be informed of that later.
Can’t tell for now.

[clidd]

Midway, why are you ignoring me ?

[midwaybear]

I am?

[clidd]

I suppose you haven't forgotten about our game in common, which would make you notice my presence in the game.

[SJReaver]

I do not think your attack on guiltylion is a good one, and if you continue, I will actually scumread you because it’s not in good faith. You seem to be trying to antagonize him in 148.

Threatening to scumread me isn't much of a threat after you've already voted. Can't vote twice.

But I don't think your heart is in this.

[midwaybear]

I do not think your attack on guiltylion is a good one, and if you continue, I will actually scumread you because it’s not in good faith. You seem to be trying to antagonize him in 148.

So what sr does is dependent on you warning him?
I agree.
What about the push on Gl sticks out to you?

I’m not sure I really understand your first question, but his push on GL stands out to me because it seems too antagonistic/conf biased.

[clidd]

I still see SJ as town, along with Mujie now. Both are my two townleans.

[clidd]

Does that change something in your read, Midway ?

[midwaybear]

I suppose you haven't forgotten about our game in common, which would make you notice my presence in the game.

I have not, and I replaced in because of some familiar faces
pedit: how so?

[Ydrasse]

I do not think your attack on guiltylion is a good one, and if you continue, I will actually scumread you because it’s not in good faith. You seem to be trying to antagonize him in 148.

Threatening to scumread me isn't much of a threat after you've already voted. Can't vote twice.

But I don't think your heart is in this.

this post is very good.

[midwaybear]

Ok ydrasse

[clidd]

I suppose you haven't forgotten about our game in common, which would make you notice my presence in the game.

I have not, and I replaced in because of some familiar faces
pedit: how so?

You indirectly confirmed that you haven't read any of my posts.

[midwaybear]

That’s 50% true. Why does this matter?

[SJReaver]

You indirectly confirmed that you haven't read any of my posts.

What?

clidd, can you walk me through this? I've missed something.