Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[Dunnstral]

Unfortunately Froppy got the 'Bad Role' in my opinion but oh well

Also I think picking vigilante over tracker in this setup would be really really bad - I think this setup needs some review

[Battle Mage]

Alright with that claim it's deducible that Ari didn't target anyone night 1

Drew isn't cleared it's a 50/50 on who would shoot, which we can't figure out

we just need 1 hider result on not me/you/dead person

if not then that's fine, hider doesn't have to claim and we can make a new target list that doesn't include you + battle mage + me so we're not overlapping anything

Hider should claim regardless now to conf-town themselves and narrow the pool for today.

I'm not remotely worried about whether we can mathematically guarantee avoiding defeat here - I'm fairly confident we can end this today, or at worst tomorrow, regardless. The reason we're at this point is because town has been dominating scum, and don't see why that should change.

Yes Dunnstral, you're correct that the Detective is better than the Psychologist. And yes, I've been clear throughout that nobody should ever be picking Vig over Tracker here.

[Gypyx]

Even if hider doesn't have any clears, he should still reveal, that way we get another conftown and he can coordinate with tracker to get other results tonight

[Dunnstral]

That's not necessary, I can just track ari again

[Nash]

VOTE: superbowl9

[Gypyx]

Nash we are massclaiming, can you claim?

[Nash]

Nash we are massclaiming, can you claim?

Did, I'm a VT

[superbowl9]

Jesus BM your school is better than advertised.

I'm VT

[superbowl9]

Also Froppy you didn't choose it but I wouldve gone with psychologist assuming there's no vigi, no? It basically removes the false positive of a goon who didn't kill

[superbowl9]

Oh worcestire chose it, that explains things

[Nash]

Does the player get to choose?

[superbowl9]

Yes player can choose
tracker/vig
detective/psychologist

[superbowl9]

So if Drew is hider that means he targeted BM and word :/
If looker is hider he targeted gypyx and and froppy, potentially clearing gypyx, which would give us 5 conftown and a win

(Assuming they followed the strats both days)

[Doctor Drew]

I am the hider.

And yes, I hid behind word and BM.

[Battle Mage]

I am the hider.

And yes, I hid behind word and BM.

I figured that was probably the case yesterday which is why I was happy with you targeting me last night (obviously at that point I didn't know for certain PP would be lynched and flip scum, and your hands were unhelpfully tied by the list). Makes total sense - apologies if I offended with the whole "Drew is scum" shtick.

[Doctor Drew]

I am the hider.

And yes, I hid behind word and BM.

I figured that was probably the case yesterday which is why I was happy with you targeting me last night (obviously at that point I didn't know for certain PP would be lynched and flip scum, and your hands were unhelpfully tied by the list). Makes total sense - apologies if I offended with the whole "Drew is scum" shtick.

Not offended, just couldn't figure out what you were doing lol.

[Battle Mage]

[quote="In post 1248, Battle Mage"]

Massclaim tally

Nash - Vanilla

Aristophanes - Vanilla

Gypyx - Vanilla

Looker - Unclaimed, but presumably vanilla

superbowl9 - Vanilla

Battle Mage - Vanilla

Froppy - Psychologist

Doctor Drew - Hider Confirms BM-town

Dunnstral - Tracker Confirms BM-town.

It's nice to be literally the towniest most conf-town townie ever in the history of mafia.

Lynchpool of Nash (obvious top candidate), Aristophanes (pretty scummy as i recall), Gypyx, Looker and Superbowl. I will re-read some bits and give some comments on each in the next couple of rl days.

We can lynch 1 today, and I guess Drew should declare in advance who he will target from the remaining pool - so we know if he dies who the final scum is. Dunn should also target from within that pool, and not the same person as Drew targets. If Drew hits town, scum has a choice to kill hider + VT or Tracker (the former narrows the pool by 2 more with 1 tracker-conf and 1 dead VT and the latter narrows it by 1 but we keep the hider and have 1 extra town body). if Drew hits scum, we win anyway.

[Battle Mage]

Does the player get to choose?

Yes player can choose
tracker/vig
detective/psychologist

Also Froppy you didn't choose it but I wouldve gone with psychologist assuming there's no vigi, no? It basically removes the false positive of a goon who didn't kill

Oh worcestire chose it, that explains things

The player doesn't get to choose detective/psychologist - it's randomly determined.

[Battle Mage]

Jesus BM your school is better than advertised.

I'm VT

I'd love to say this is unusual, but this happens in all my games. Even my early townblock was full of townies. If Nash is scum, I may as well retire on the ultimate high.

[superbowl9]

Does the player get to choose?

Yes player can choose
tracker/vig
detective/psychologist

Also Froppy you didn't choose it but I wouldve gone with psychologist assuming there's no vigi, no? It basically removes the false positive of a goon who didn't kill

Oh worcestire chose it, that explains things

The player doesn't get to choose detective/psychologist - it's randomly determined.

Oh you right

[superbowl9]

We can literally investigate everyone the rest of the nights tho no? As long as scum kills, detective has no false positives so a neg result confirms town. Hider and tracker also both investigate - if we elim in our pool of 5 unconfirmed today, then investigate 3 different of the pool tonight, we either hit scum or don't, in which case the last one left is confirmed scum. It should be a confirmed win by tomorrow.

[superbowl9]

We basically have 3 cops at this point

[superbowl9]

So to win the game:
1. Elim Nash today
2. Drew, Froppy, and Dunstrall investigate Ari, gypyx, and looker respectively
3. If Froppy or Dunstrall get positive, elim their positive result. If Drew dies, elim Ari. If no one gets positive, elim me.

If scum don't nightkill obviously we just keep elimming outside conftown until we win

[Battle Mage]

So to win the game:
1. Elim Nash today
2. Drew, Froppy, and Dunstrall investigate Ari, gypyx, and looker respectively
3. If Froppy or Dunstrall get positive, elim their positive result. If Drew dies, elim Ari. If no one gets positive, elim me.

If scum don't nightkill obviously we just keep elimming outside conftown until we win

No mate. Froppy's role is useless, he isn't a cop. So we have 2 investigatives.

Just go with my steer in post 1266 for today/tonight, and then we can deal with the rest later. I'll still be alive tomorrow regardless, so not worried about planning too far in advance.

[Doctor Drew]

I am surprised they didn't figure out I was hider, I dropped some obvious crumbs early D1. Or they were more worried about a potential tracker.