Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Isis]

Like unfortunately falsely doing so is even more plainly cheating, so truthfully doing so as more minor cheating usually conftowns the player doing it, so una might just be ughtown here I guess. annoying

[Isis]

Una if I'm town who do you want to exile

[UnaBombaH]

For the record I think threatening to blacklist people contingent on their alignment tends to use factors outside of a game to win the game and shouldn't be allowed.

Again, you are twisting my words a little.
I'm not blacklisting anyone, and haven't blacklisted anyone on site ever.
What I'm saying, is I'm not sure I

want

to play with town!Hoopla more if this is how poorly they can perform.
Specifically in contrast to the end of last game where I said something along the lines of "I'm looking forward to playing with them more".

[Isis]

I feel better

[UnaBombaH]

Una if I'm town who do you want to exile

My current solve feels like Hoopla+Isis+*lurker*.
Simply because it feels like we are running at walls and bouncing off to uncharted directions.

IF you are town, I have a tinfoil-theory that no one likes.

[Porkens]

I always feel a bit triggered when a player says “you are so bad if you s I read me you are either scum or garbage”

[UnaBombaH]

..and in my defense, I rarely succumb to that.
I'm just feeling exhausted with Isis here, and I fully admit it's partially my own fault.
¨
I can usually keep my composure much better, and can admit to flaws in my own townplay.
However here it feels like they are reaching so much just to be able to call me scum, and somehow she has managed to get under my skin.

[Porkens]

I’m gunna look at the popopopopopopo wagon

[Porkens]

^chilling insight into the mind of lurking scum.

i'm actually going to hammer. we need a flip, and this is as good as any. usually this would carry more risk, but i highly doubt the mod has put two confirmable roles into the one setup. i don't think there's any role popo could claim that i'd unequivocally believe.

no guts no glory.

WHAM!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: popopo

What a bad wagon every vote is basically naked. This is the only one that’s even remotely dressed up, and I’m pretty sure, town or maf, hooplah felt popopopopopopo was town.

[UnaBombaH]

What a bad wagon every vote is basically naked.

Yeah, well.. Like said.
It felt like a "necessary substitute" for a wagon we should've gotten.
And while it may have been a stretch to go for popopo just because Hoopla didn't seem to want it, popopo wasn't being very active or efficient either.

I do not think it was a bad D1-lynch compared to some lightning-wagons I've seen (that have been all town mind you), but definitely inferior to a Hoopla-lynch.

[Porkens]

So that was self preservation from hoops?

[Isis]

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Isis]

what is the probability Klick had to rep out for getting compromised, that's a thing too

[Porkens]

I'd eat my hat if the scum team was nitty/Una/klick

VOTE: hoops

Tbf I'd still do dun. Or popo.

If bell is scum, I’d wager one of those in the list is also (not me duh)

[UnaBombaH]

Thinking about this actually pinged something in the back of my head.

I like this wagon, just the right amount of resistance from notscience who is trying to appear ambivalent to it. If you're into Hoopla scum theories, he's trying to start competing wagons as well

Coming from now-conf.town Dunn btw.
And this was on popopopo-wagon.
(no, I'm not trying to paint notscience as scum here again, just hold your horses for a moment )

I don't mind the geraintm wagon so much, but I don't like hoopla pushing it. And it has dead weight on it.

Now

THIS

is sitting on a fence while we are really closing in on the lynch of the day.

I too want to flip popo, especially since it feels like everyone except for Una who has posted recently, who hasn't been on the wagon, has been strangely opposed to it

+

Particularly Hoopla

And who was Hoopla on?
Well, like Galron just pointed out - geraintm.

Yea, I do not necessarily object to it, but I'm not too excited about it either.
I'm feeling sort of uninterested with the game now. That Hoopla-claim makes it literally antitown to keep my vote on her, since her claimed role should be confirmed.
But I just have this solid feeling it's a scum fakeclaiming, and they are now living on borrowed time.
Dunno. I wasn't particularly scumreading them before, but I joined the wagon anyway.
And anything and everything they said afterwards only sold scum!Hoopla to me more.

So all of this other stuff sort of feels like filler to me right now.

My turn to sit on the fence.
All I can say is that NEITHER wagon felt like a good one at that point. I think I wrote pretty much exactly how I felt there ^^

But my main-point here is this:

The only reason why I'm wondering, is because scum!Hoopla would already know here that they aren't going to be cleared by their claim.
You do understand that, right?

So assuming scum!Hoopla, anything and everything they say from that claim onwards is already WIFOM.

Meaning that it is actually possible for scum!Hoopla to vote geraintm there just to make sure people will not follow. And I feel like it makes all the more sense considering that stinky hammer they then threw at popopo.
The alternative here being Galron - not wanting to commit to either wagon and trying to take maximum distance from Hoopla now.

[UnaBombaH]

And in case people still don't follow my logic -

in the event that Hoopla flips scum, you have to consider their claim a milestone in their posting.

Everything before that is something we can analyze with the idea that they were scum, trying to manipulate the game and survive with their teammates.
Anything AFTER that point, comes from scum who basically knows they are going to be offed D3, because scum!Hoopla simply can't be inno'ed.

[UnaBombaH]

If Isis is town, I can see one of gera/galron totally being a teammate of scum!Hoopla.
Maybe even with scum!Isis, because neither of them was on popopopo-wagon.

geraintm (1): popopopopopopo
Hoopla (1): Galron
Klick (1): geraintm

Just as a curiosity - at the end of the day this is where popopo-gera-galron were.

If Hoopla ever flips town, the bottom of my reads completely falls off, so that is the one flip I'm still waiting for. Obviously.
But I can actually see Isis being scum here regardless of what Hoopla flips.

[Isis]

A read of day 1 where I can be scum with Hoopla is pretty disappointing. I don't think it's within my scumrange to "bus" in the manner I did, as valuable as a scum!Hoopla is to a scumteam

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Day 2's Ninth Votecount

UnaBombaH (2): Porkens, Hoopla
bob3141 (2): Replacement for Sujimichi, notscience
Replacement for Sujimichi (1): Galron
Isis (1): UnaBombaH
Bellaphant (1): Isis
geraintm (0):
Hoopla (0):
Porkens (0):
notscience (0):
Emperor flippyNips (0):
Galron (0):

Not Voting (4): Emperor flippyNips, Bellaphant, geraintm, bob3141

With 11 voters, 6 votes are required to execute.

Day 2 will end without an execution in (expired on 2020-07-31 03:00:00).

[UnaBombaH]

A read of day 1 where I can be scum with Hoopla is pretty disappointing. I don't think it's within my scumrange to "bus" in the manner I did, as valuable as a scum!Hoopla is to a scumteam

Yeah, well..
Since we both seem to think Hoopla is scum here, do you think they

have

been an asset to their team this game?
I believe they have under-performed, and therefore wouldn't consider it outside the realm of possibilities.
I do have to admit that there are some other possibilities that have jumped to the front of my mind just now, upon re-checking the end of D1.

Hoopla + one of gera/galron + one of flippy/RfS?

[UnaBombaH]

The reasoning being that I feel like Hooplas assumed "gambit"-claim was simply to give them more time.
One low-activity slot that might get replaced sooner or later?
And while I do not know how good gera/galron can be as scum, I could see Hoopla wanting to "coach" them further rather than die D1.

Thoughts?

[Isis]

I believe they have under-performed

But like the turning point of when you'd assess her play as an underperformance is when I started compellingly pushing her lol

It's circular

before that like maybe 1 person said she was scummy.

There is always at least one person that thinks you're scummy d1 of a 13p

[UnaBombaH]

OK, agreed on that then.

I'm going to step back from the thread for the rest of today, and see what others bring to the table.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Not_Mafia replaces Emperor flippyNips.

[Not_Mafia]

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