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[Nepenthes]

I wasnt confident or thinking he was town in 793, 795 came after I reread, chk
As for the rest, knowing thats how you feel abt the scumcase is more useful than not knowing

[chkflip]

Not following up on posts is also p scummy. Speaking of which:

OH DUNNY BOY:

I'm willing to accept that for now. What happened to your redtea read?

HEY TITUS:

Fascinating that you haven't come to realize I'm always angry.

Conclusion?

HI TRUTH:

Why were you afraid to say that?

[Nepenthes]

Huh we have rly different thought processes but our conclusions are rly similar
I still think im right on looker but i like superbowls direction
Also wow controversy but i find truth a big enough question mark that im fine if you want to consider that policy
Honestly a player who isnt going to be readable and doesnt look town is a great lynch candidate esp early game

[chkflip]

I wasnt confident or thinking he was town in 793, 795 came after I reread, chk

What did you reread to come to that new conclusion?

[chkflip]

Can you just play worse please?

I

what?

[Nepenthes]

I wasnt confident or thinking he was town in 793, 795 came after I reread, chk

What did you reread to come to that new conclusion?

Lookers ISO

[Nepenthes]

It didnt register on first pass and did on the second

[chkflip]

More specifically

[superbowl9]

Can you just play worse please?

I

what?

Like can you just do something so bad I know what your alignment is
Or you can just tell me but you have to pinky promise not to lie

[Nepenthes]

it's really not that hard to just respect a fking pronoun

yeah i just am not very good at remembering

like as much as i am an asshole, i really don't intentionally disrespect people's wishes in that department because it accomplishes nothing other than creating unnecessary tension. I really don't have bad intentions here


this is the one time in the game you can trust me not to be an ass

So when bugspray is hammered, how counterproductive do you think it'll be that all their content has been based on gender pronouns? Does this not look like a strategy to you?

I don't care about any of that. What I'm saying is, do you think bugspray is avoiding posting anything but pronoun conversation as a way to not leave any connections to scumpartners?

I initially dismissed this as looker having a negative view of nonstandard pronoun use and so considered the use of this argument as nai but based on the rest of their posting im gonna say that was wrong of me

And so with that in mind it looks more like a genuine belief that bugspray was avoiding contentposting for the reason stated

[Nepenthes]

The way looker talks abt bugspray postflip with zero regret (621) also reads town

[superbowl9]

How is this AI for looker? If looker truly believes bugspray is acting evasive, wouldn't that just make him think bugspray is an easier ML as scum, making this still NAI?

[Nepenthes]

I have no response to that you could say it abt any ai thing to make it nai
Anything a player calls out as being scummy could be spun around as scum noting scummy town

Also my point was it looks like a genuine belief of avoiding content
You can say you dont agree with that but saying scum would also think a townie is genuinely avoiding content is wild

[superbowl9]

I would normally agree but we had a whole thing about bugspray being ridiculously survivalist, which is what I assume scum looker would lump this behavior into. Thus he's got equally valid reasons to push this as town and scum, so NAI imo

[Nepenthes]

I dont see a connection between survivalism and bugspray avoiding content to make things easier on his buddies upon his flip, if anything they oppose each other
But i also doubt ill convince you or that i have anything damning enough to do so

Still think Truths the better elim

[Nepenthes]

Titus is better than both of them but its not happening today

[superbowl9]

I think the equity of elimming Truth has dropped a lot since we elimed elsewhere D1. That being said I think it will only to continue to fall (and maybe spike back up if they are one of the last ones standing), so if we wanted to do it it's now or never. That being said I think both looker and titus are better options for us today.

[Nepenthes]

The benefit of elimming truth only continues to go down if we assume theyre town, and theyre never going to be nightkilled so that if is really a when
Wont move to looker but id swing to titus with support

[Titus]

I'm out for today. Just got hit with a major car repair and a work deadline.

[superbowl9]

Or if we assume average scum odds that we can't determine, but yes agreed. I'd suport titus, the replace timing sucks but I think overkill definitely had good scum changes

[Gypyx]

hey yeah so i'm back, i feel like i can't read shit but anyways here i am

on the truth situation, if we all assume that truth is some sort of newbie who's really bad at playing in a readable way, then they have pretty much random odds of being scum / town, of course there's chkflip who says they show newb!scum patterns, but if it hasn't been done yet, i'd like him to take a look at the other game that truth played and see if he sees the same kind of patterns emerge. regardless, now's a long term decision : do we want to keep truth for probably the end of the game, or do we want to be done with them ASAP cuz getting rid of them mid-game will much likely be sub-optimal

getting rid of them right now would put town in an average / bad position, because getting associative reads based on truth will be really hard, so even in the case where they flip scum, there isn't much for town to snowball off of

or

keeping them, now, this would give town a better postion right now, and better odds to snowball, but if we make it to a LyLo without any sort of advantage, having truth still here is going to be a huge problem

so considering this, i'm not sure what's the best course of actions, i'd advise keeping truth to take advantage of our IC's while we have them alive instead of wasting that time on truth


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also why is everyone letting duunstal off the hook? i don't see anything super towny from him

PEdit : also UNVOTE: for now, i'm considering swtich to duunstal

[WaltertheDunce10]

I know,
Dunn does not exactly make go wow!

[Nepenthes]

Nows consolidate time not vanity time

[the worst]

I'm more vanity than human but yes. let's consolidate.

[the worst]

townreads tiered

the worst
WaltertheDunce10
chkflip - i wish i was in a world where I was wrong on chk. he's town
Gypyx - still probably town but less confident
osuka - think he rings truer in interactions than looker but I guess I'm not really clearing, I'm potentially kinda wrong on this
Dunnstral - was kinda scumreading but I'm growing lukewarm. he's not towny this game but it's also outside my expectation of Dunn's scumgame. he does not seem interested in looking good (which he is capable of doing). he seems more irritated with my OTT push than invested in rebutting them. scum before the above but not before the below I think?

superbowl9 - still null
nepenthes - still null

poe untiered

Truth - fine kill this idc. truth is still PoE, I think chk is kinda on point that the semblances of play that shine through the gimmick look scum motivated. sort nulls first but this can fairly easily be scum!
Looker - I have spoken about and is a very valid elim like, today, particularly for having associatives with a lot of people I'm kinda uncomfortable/uncomfortable-adjacent with
Titus - 0verki11 was like very wolfy I think. lol. Titus can still be scum I just think she's very worth allowing to play the game regardless of her alignment