Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[beeboy]

Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs

Player List:

1. Andresvmb
   
2. WaltertheDunce10
   
3. InnocentVillager
   jankofan
   
   
4. PlusJOYED
   Nash
   happiJS
   
   
5. Bell
   Clarity238
   
   
6. shellyc
   Ouroel
   
   
7. The Worst
   Bellaphant
   (SE)
   
8. The Bulge (SE)
   
9. notscience (SE)

* represents a prod

Spoiler: Living Players

1. shellyc, Survived to End Game
   
2. The Bulge, Survived to End Game

Spoiler: Dead Player

1. Innocent Villager, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 1
   
2. WaltertheDunce10, Town Tracker, Killed Night 1
   
3. PlusJOYED, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 1
   
4. Bell, Town Doctor, Killed Night 2
   
5. The Worst, Vanilla Townie, Lynched Day 3
   
6. NotScience, Vanilla Townie, was End Gamed
   
7. AndrewVMP, Vanilla Townie, was End Gamed

[beeboy]

RULES

General Rules:

1. Site-wide rules always apply here.
   
2. If you have a question for me, you can always PM me. If you need to talk to me in thread,
   please bold your question like this
   so I can locate it better.
   
3. You may not use hidden or encrypted text. I decide if the text is small enough to be count as hidden text.
   
4. If you have a power to edit/delete your post, don't do it. If you scumslip, just accept it and eat rope.
   
5. Play nice. Insulting players with using any form of racial/sexual slur or any kind of derogatory languages or excessive harassing in any way will result in immediate force-replacement.
   
6. Do not EVER discuss the ongoing games in this thread nor discuss this game elsewhere, no matter how informative it is.
   
7. Paraphrasing moderator communication is fine but do not directly quote anything or otherwise suggest how the communication was phrased. I have 0 tolerance in regards to this rule, I am very easy to contact if you are unsure if something is ok or not.
   
   
8. Do not use provable randomization in this game. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tag is not.
   
9. Do not use the following color.
   #FF4000
   
   
10. If I find the certain factors/actions damaging the state of the game, I will intervene and/or take action.
    
11. Keep the personal complaint, whatever they may be, outside of the wrong VC/information, private by PMing me.
    
12. If you break these rules, I have full rights to punish you at my will. This can range from simple warning to modkill/force-replace.
    
13. I always have a full right to add/modify the rules. If I do, I will fully explain the reason behind such action.

Activity and Deadline:

1. The day phase 1 will last 10 days, all future days will last 7 days. The night phase will last 48 hours.
   
2. If you're on V/LA, please tell me beforehand by either post it in thread (bolded) or PM to me.
   
3. If you don't post here for 36 real hours, I will prod you. Failure to receive prod within 24 hours will result in your being replaced.
   
4. If you do not submit an action before the day/night ends, it will count as
   No Action
   .
   
5. If I have to extend the deadline, I will. If I do, I will post it on thread.

Voting and Elimination:

1. You vote by either using bold tag [
   b]Vote:beeboy[/b
   ] or using vote tag [
   vote]beeboy[/vote
   ].
   
2. Please make your votes clear
   
3. A player is eliminated when a majority of votes is achieved, which is 50% of the currently available votes rounded down + 1.
   
4. At the end of the day if no majority occurs the day with end in "No Elimination".
   
5. You may vote for "No Elimination", a No Elimination only requires 50% of the currently available votes.

[beeboy]

Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that PLAYER NAME is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a

Mafia Goon

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[beeboy]

Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[beeboy]

All role pms have been sent out. The game will start when I receive 8/9 confirmations. We currently have 8/9.

[beeboy]

Day 1, VC 1

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Not Voting (9)

- everyone

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-16 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:

happiJS has 24 hours to confirm or he will be replaced.

[Bellaphant]

First!

VOTE: not science

[notscience]

VOTE: the bulge

Clown him hwile he’s camping

[Bellaphant]

Everyone knows camping is scummy.

[notscience]

Hey all the newbies! If you have any acronym/theory:general mafia questions please feel free to ask me whenever- i will answer these truthfully and it should not be factored in to your read on my slot.

[Clarity238]

VOTE: Andresvmb
I don't know a good way to shorten your name so I'm voting you. Speaking of names, I should be clear because my name, like the title, has the number 23 in it.

@The other newbies - I saw none of you have games on here, how much offsite experience do you guys have? I've personally played for a year or two IRL and on a couple of other sites, but I'm not used to games longer than a couple of hours.

[Clarity238]

Not sure if there's anything to read into the SEs both voting other SEs... I'm going to go with probably not. Maybe it's a friendly poke between people that already know each other? Maybe they want to avoid pressuring the new players? Maybe I'm overthinking this? Spoilers: It's almost definitely the last one.

(someone shush me if I get too rambly - I usually play the equivalent of what I think this site calls Marathon games, so my posts are probably going to be more stream-of-consciousness waffles... Hopefully I won't burn out too quickly. If I'm going against some unwritten rules here I can *try* to organise myself into longer and more infrequent posts but I'm not making any promises.)

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: Andresvmb
I don't know a good way to shorten your name so I'm voting you. Speaking of names, I should be clear because my name, like the title, has the number 23 in it.

@The other newbies - I saw none of you have games on here, how much offsite experience do you guys have? I've personally played for a year or two IRL and on a couple of other sites, but I'm not used to games longer than a couple of hours.

VOTE: clarity
I have some games here.
But I did start offsite.

[Bellaphant]

Me and ns have played together, yeah.

[Clarity238]

VOTE: clarity
I have some games here.
But I did start offsite.

I'm... not sure how I missed that. I must have messed up the search somehow.

*checks the searches again*

Apparently when you try to search for another keyword, it includes the previous keyword(s). So I searched for Andresvmb, got no results, typed your name in, and then it searched for posts with both of your names in, which of course only led here.

Me and ns have played together, yeah.

I come from a smallish site where everyone knows everyone so I guess I assumed it'd be the same here? Probably isn't that accurate, but it's good to know some people know each other in this game.

[WaltertheDunce10]

That makes sense,
Darn indexes.

[notscience]

For the most part? There’s occasionally older players I don’t recognize. But I’ve got like 18k posts on this account plus various hydrae so I’ve played with a lot of them

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: clarity
I have some games here.
But I did start offsite.

I'm... not sure how I missed that. I must have messed up the search somehow.

*checks the searches again*

Apparently when you try to search for another keyword, it includes the previous keyword(s). So I searched for Andresvmb, got no results, typed your name in, and then it searched for posts with both of your names in, which of course only led here.

Me and ns have played together, yeah.

I come from a smallish site where everyone knows everyone so I guess I assumed it'd be the same here? Probably isn't that accurate, but it's good to know some people know each other in this game.

I have another game going on this site but for obvious reasons I will not talk about it. It’s my only game here. I come from a small community of online mafia called Mafia451. I have been playing for a few years. I don’t think of myself as inexperienced but you know, there’s always something to learn. I figured I would try to broaden my horizons a bit.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Ouroel

[Clarity238]

Is it usually this inactive early in newbie games? I guess we're just waiting for more people to show up so we can start Playing the Game.

[notscience]

I have a 14/15 hour work day today so I’m not super around and as a new game this one was lowest on my priorities. Noones done anything that’s pinged me yet tho

[Bellaphant]

We are missing four people! People were also quite slow to confirm, so I'm low-key expecting prods on Friday and replacements over the weekend.

Our other se is on vla

Nothing too weird has happened yet. We could all wagon ns....

[Clarity238]

Well, we've still got nine more days - that's more than enough time to hunt some scum (and town! town reads are important too!).

Flash wagons are fun... And that *is* a very tempting offer...

[notscience]

I mean you can but don’t expect me to flail lol

My alignment will prob make itself obv as the day goes on

[Bellaphant]

(you are ruining the plan, ns)

Why is it tempting, clarity?