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[Datisi]

And I don’t know why wherever Ico runs to, Datisi follows.

ah yes, the janko vote... that ico started... and i just followed... with no thoughts or reasoning on my own...

[VP Baltar]

@Alduskkel, vote Bob so that we get this one through. I can’t say I care about this Janko push and I really can’t figure out this game without seeing a flip at this point. And I don’t know why wherever Ico runs to, Datisi follows.

This basically. Can't believe I read 4 pages of the same point being repeated again and again

[VP Baltar]

Datisi, do you know snow IRL?

[VP Baltar]

Ico & Datisi - do you town read the Bob slot or you just think janko is scum for changing reads on it?

[Andresvmb]

I don’t even have to read too much into the replace in/out to make a decision. I’m taking the IRL reason at face value. I don’t like questioning players when they express an out of game reason for a decision - only they know is that’s actually the case. But it has nothing to do with that for me. Bob just called me hard Scum with VPB, but for whatever reason decided neither one of us was worth pushing, and settled on Janko. Why? Convenience. It’s probably an easier kill. And look! Janko has been run up to the point where the wagons are tied. Well, I’m certainly not moving, and I’m tired of all the indecision. Make up your minds already.

[Andresvmb]

Right, because I said you have no reasoning of your own Datisi.

I think Janko has a lot less content, so is an easier push. And is nowhere near as aggressive at defending themselves (that seems obvious in light of the last 4 pages), so people might be more inclined to switch over there and not feel bad about it. Well, I don’t see Janko flipping Scum so I’m not voting there. Good luck getting that one through.

[Andresvmb]

And yeah, in this case it’s more of Ico following Datisi rather than the other way around. But you two are already hard Town reading each other, and are now voting in tandem, so I’m not surprised. I’m not implying you are both Scum here btw. Just to be clear. And this might be tremendously helpful if you two are correctly trusting each other. But I have my view of the game, and Janko does not fit as Scum for me. That’s all.

[DkKoba]

datisi getting willfully pocketed by their friend ); u hate to see it

[Iconeum]

Ico & Datisi - do you town read the Bob slot or you just think janko is scum for changing reads on it?

i townread the bob slot and i think janko is scum for the reasons it changed it's read on it

[Andresvmb]

I will admit that if by the end of the game Ico turns out to be Town, I’ll be somewhat surprised. And impressed that players were completely able to figure out that Ico is Town since D1. Because that is probably the read I am struggling with the most.

[DkKoba]

why do you think datisi is town?

i'm not saying she's not, but i'd like to hear your reasoning behind it

we can discuss that after u flip scum <3

you are sheeping my townreads but somehow i'm scum

also said townreads are basicly all townreading me but somehow you still think i'm scum

VOTE: dkkoba

lol rereading ico's iso for content abt their snow reads and this post stuck out as extremely hilarious

[DkKoba]

anyways lets get Snow
I'll 1000% reconsider junko on d2 but someone whos willing to sheep me even if scum is always useful to me esp since it means if im being pocketed i can live to d2 ):

[Andresvmb]

DkKoba if you’re screwing with me, I’m going to eventually figure you out. You’re my strongest TR right now though, so just keep doing what you’re doing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Andres should I take DKK's softclaim at face value or do you think there's a chance they're bad town or scum?

[NoPowerOverMe]

my gut says bob is town but I'm starting to think association-wise Bob might be the best lynch.

[NoPowerOverMe]

screw it flipping bob will get me a better read on DKK and that's more important in the long run.

VOTE: bob

[Andresvmb]

@NPOM DkKoba is not bad Town. They are either Town (and putting Scum in a corner) or Scum here. And as you can tell, I’m leaning hard towards Town. Let’s see what happens.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Caught up despite interruptions. I am town on Koba now, they come out townier of the confrontation with NPOM, I agree with most things they said in that regard. Also think their acting with votes between me, NPOM and bob is less scum indicative here. From my point of view it makes more sense for scum to push my elim through, because once I flip as the flash town counterwagon to Snowbob, that slot will get eliminated in most scenarios on D2, so if bob is town it would make more sense to line us up in the order me, then bob. That ensures two easy miselims.

Normally liking NPOM less now, his 1063 wasn't good and nothing there was anti-town from Koba. I understand Koba and Andres are associating him with me though and NPOM going elsewhere with his vote (Baltar, janko) doesn't really make sense for scumNPOM from my point of view, he could just chill on me without getting into the spotlight like he did. I can see him being scum with bob, however I am still rather leaning town on that slot, so rather more likely townNPOM too.

Where are you at on Bob, because this feels like youre at town!Bob? I'm also having trouble seeing how you're getting to Koba town, because isnt this exact thought process that youre outlining for scum what Koba is doing?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I didnt really think snow was scum and the way Bob has come in fits town!Bob. I also am a bit hesitant given how two wagons flashed really fast and a wagon on NPOM can't get off the ground. I also think the way Snow played while you were being wagoned isnt really a scum way to handle that.

This... doesn't really answer my question. Why does the way he got into the game fits to townbob? I actually disagree on your last sentence, as I said, from her point of view as scum it would be better if I don't die unless she just want to make the sacrifice on D2. Baltar also had a good take on it (too tired to look for the post rn).

Why you pressing me on this? Our reads align, so im confused by why you need more details. I drew a different conclusion from the wagon, but here's what I'm confused about. We had two flash wagons in a matter of days with alot of overlap on the people on it. Snow/Bob was first, you were second. Im looking more at wagon composition in drawing my conclusion. I dont see how scum drove one and not the other with as much overlap as was there.

Honestly I'm more confused by you asking for more detail from me on what was obviously more a gut read than anything else (dude had been here for like 5 pages) when my read aligned with yours.

I dont see how from town!Test's perspective, you look at 2 flash wagons with a decent bit of overlap and not think they're scum influenced.

[Iconeum]

is nobody interested in andres explaining reads?

i'd be happy to end the day if you at least force that

[Billy Pilgrim]

I agree with other ppl

snow's rep out was like trying not to be defeatist in tone and Bob just reads like a classic scum rob

Whoo that pinged hard.

[Billy Pilgrim]

scum are more prone to defeatism than town when they get pushed because their entire job is to survive. I said the exit post feels like it's trying not to appear defeatist.

I mean I feel like you don't understand that I'm reading people based on shallow intuitions at this stage with no flips and you're expecting perfectly logical reasons for having voted people and using that as the basis to push me is scummy aswell. which makes sense because I'm pretty sure you're actually scum.

that's actually where the idea of scum robot comes into it. scum don't have intuitions because they have the burden of not having anything to have intuitions about, nothing to solve they're just filling gaps on ways that are convenient. bob feels like he's latching onto details and trying to logic his way through reads and it's not reading that their compelled by their own statements. reading back over snow in hindsight I get the same vibe actually. contrast that to datisi who seems pretty emotionally invested in her read and push on me being justified and corroborated which would be harder to fake.

If you think scum plays from an exclusively survivalist mentality, why doesn't Snow push her counterwagon? Instead she townread it and pushed, i think you if I remember correctly. How are you reading that as remotely survivalist. She probably could have gotten the kill by pushing Test.

I think this is bullshit.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Alduskkel, vote Bob so that we get this one through. I can’t say I care about this Janko push and I really can’t figure out this game without seeing a flip at this point. And I don’t know why wherever Ico runs to, Datisi follows.

You realize Datisi was on Jank before Icon came off V/LA right?

[Billy Pilgrim]

God i want the NPOM flip to happen bad but I can't get anyone to join me there. Jank is my second choice and that has only solidified since defending their switch on the Snow read. Also, I dont wanna flip Bob.

VOTE: JankofAn

Npom had put this wagon to five, but then hopped over to Bob. So this means Bob is at G-1 while Jank is at G-2

[Datisi]

Datisi, do you know snow IRL?

no, i just saw [stuff] but can't talk about it

Ico & Datisi - do you town read the Bob slot or you just think janko is scum for changing reads on it?

i literally said i think bob is being townie

Right, because I said you have no reasoning of your own Datisi.

I think Janko has a lot less content, so is an easier push. And is nowhere near as aggressive at defending themselves (that seems obvious in light of the last 4 pages), so people might be more inclined to switch over there and not feel bad about it. Well, I don’t see Janko flipping Scum so I’m not voting there. Good luck getting that one through.

what does it matter who is an easier push or not??? like if i wanted an easy push with no content i'd go george or aldus like tf is this post even saying?