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[Andresvmb]

@Andres should I take DKK's softclaim at face value or do you think there's a chance they're bad town or scum?

I don’t read that as a soft claim. I’m not going to speculate otherwise - you can ask DkKoba what they meant.

[Testarossa]

Where are you at on Bob, because this feels like youre at town!Bob? I'm also having trouble seeing how you're getting to Koba town, because isnt this exact thought process that youre outlining for scum what Koba is doing?

Yes to bob.
No, Koba was pulling Andres and janko to a certain extent along (more or less due to their townreads on them) and could have just stayed on my wagon, eventually it might not have dissolved and it might have gone through. Instead they were moving their vote to NPOM, me and then bob once certain things seemed to have pinged them. It looks kind of unnecessary for scum.

[Testarossa]

Why you pressing me on this? Our reads align, so im confused by why you need more details. I drew a different conclusion from the wagon, but here's what I'm confused about. We had two flash wagons in a matter of days with alot of overlap on the people on it. Snow/Bob was first, you were second. Im looking more at wagon composition in drawing my conclusion. I dont see how scum drove one and not the other with as much overlap as was there.

Honestly I'm more confused by you asking for more detail from me on what was obviously more a gut read than anything else (dude had been here for like 5 pages) when my read aligned with yours.

I dont see how from town!Test's perspective, you look at 2 flash wagons with a decent bit of overlap and not think they're scum influenced.

Because our reads align and I am not town on you I am interested in it. It didn't looked to me like a gut read with meaning that his entrance fits into his town persona sounded to me like you know more about him. Anyway no use in hairsplitting either.

I don't know how you reach that last conclusion. Literally half of my wagon ended up on bob, why do you think I am avoiding that wagon and even joined the counterwagon? (my reads on bob and janko aside)

[Andresvmb]

@Datisi And no I’m not here to argue Mafia theory. You think I’m wrong, that’s fine by me. Bob’s argument towards me was crap - and I think was Scum motivated. I also think it’s Scum motivated not to want to push that case too hard (despite saying I reek of Scum and that I’m a hard SR), but voting Janko. That’s just my perspective.

[Andresvmb]

Why you pressing me on this? Our reads align, so im confused by why you need more details. I drew a different conclusion from the wagon, but here's what I'm confused about. We had two flash wagons in a matter of days with alot of overlap on the people on it. Snow/Bob was first, you were second. Im looking more at wagon composition in drawing my conclusion. I dont see how scum drove one and not the other with as much overlap as was there.

Honestly I'm more confused by you asking for more detail from me on what was obviously more a gut read than anything else (dude had been here for like 5 pages) when my read aligned with yours.

I dont see how from town!Test's perspective, you look at 2 flash wagons with a decent bit of overlap and not think they're scum influenced.

Because our reads align and I am not town on you I am interested in it. It didn't looked to me like a gut read with meaning that his entrance fits into his town persona sounded to me like you know more about him. Anyway no use in hairsplitting either.

I don't know how you reach that last conclusion. Literally half of my wagon ended up on bob, why do you think I am avoiding that wagon and even joined the counterwagon? (my reads on bob and janko aside)

Billy’s point is a good one btw. Say Bob flipped Town. I wouldn’t then join a wagon on Testa, precisely because of wagon composition. Repeating the same formula on both players and thinking you would get a different result would be kind of silly.

[Andresvmb]

I’m running the risk of reading too much into it, but I do understand Billy’s argument and I agree. If you read what DkKoba is saying, they are arguing a version of this too (if Bob flips Town, they have stated unequivocally that they would go after VPB).

[Andresvmb]

Anyway, can someone die already? @GeorgeBailey @Alduskkel are you guys playing the game or just spectating?

[GeorgeBailey]

Ok, I've read Janko's ISO and I think he's a much better selection than bob right now.

VOTE: JankoFan

snow's exit/Bob's entrance were also scummy

this is E-1 (deja vu)

VOTE: bob

I think Bob opening with VCA after replacing in felt a little awkward without a flip, but he did a pretty good summary of the game afterwards. Enough to make the slot townie.

I don't think Snow's exit felt scummy either. She was the leading wagon for a while and it can get frustrating for either alignment to get tunneled like that.

Quick Hammering this is a scum claim before Aldusk comes back.

[Andresvmb]

@Mod can we get a vote count?

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: snowblaze

ya'll can shout at me as much as you want for this vote

but i think it's needed to get the game moving

would love to see GB's thoughts about all of this

I thought it was a much needed wagon?

Like, I feel bad if the case was the Snow repped out from frustration but I think the pressure was decently townie.

[Testarossa]

@Andres:
Yeah, I am not disagreeing with that. It all depends now on what bob is going to flip.

Also hammer on bob already happened by NPOM, no?

[Andresvmb]

No I think they’re both E-1.

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm pretty sure NPOM put the wagon at L-1.

They should both be at L-1 right now.

pedit: yeah

[Datisi]

shitty informal vc:
bob3141 (6): VP Baltar, hellbooks, DkKoba, Andresvmb, jankofan, NoPowerOverMe
jankofan (6): Datisi, bob3141, Testarossa, Iconeum, Billy Pilgrim, GeorgeBailey
Testarossa (1): Alduskkel

@george do you have like any other thoughts
also should probably let aldus and hellbooks catch up properly, would love to have some more content from those slots on d2

[Testarossa]

Ah yeah, he is only at six votes. Yeah, that's correct then.

[Andresvmb]

If @Alduskkel hammers either, I’m not going to complain. I think we have enough - I don’t need another 10 pages of discussion as to why NPOM is actually the correct execution.

[Andresvmb]

Though for consistency sake, @Aduskkel Bob is better. Just sayin’.

[Datisi]

i'm not saying we need that

i'm just saying that some people have 100s of posts and some have very little and at some point we have to sort the lowposters and that is much easier if we give them time to post as opposed of rushing this right now because we're impatient

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't mind waiting if people have something to say.

[Billy Pilgrim]

It shouldn't be about who your first and second choices are, at least at this point, it needs to be about what's going to get town to where it needs to be at this point. DKK is the most likely town at this point what point is there to going against their elimination choice?

Koba is the most vocal. Why the hell does that make them the most likely town?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Datisi, do you know snow IRL?

no, i just saw [stuff] but can't talk about it

Ico & Datisi - do you town read the Bob slot or you just think janko is scum for changing reads on it?

i literally said i think bob is being townie

Right, because I said you have no reasoning of your own Datisi.

I think Janko has a lot less content, so is an easier push. And is nowhere near as aggressive at defending themselves (that seems obvious in light of the last 4 pages), so people might be more inclined to switch over there and not feel bad about it. Well, I don’t see Janko flipping Scum so I’m not voting there. Good luck getting that one through.

what does it matter who is an easier push or not??? like if i wanted an easy push with no content i'd go george or aldus like tf is this post even saying?

You’re great at throwing shade, not great at trying to think through what others are saying if it remotely conflicts with what you’re saying.

It shows no conviction. That’s why it matters. If you’re a hard Scum Read for me, you bet I’m going to be pushing you as hard as I can, and actually keeping my vote there. Bob said I “reeked of Scum”, but votes Janko? It’s total BS.

And who is arguing that this applies to you? You aren’t even reading it in context. I’m arguing that Janko was a far easier push

for Bob

(instead of VPB or me), which explains the vote. Now, others have aligned there.

With this logic, why arent you voting NPOM for doing the same think by having Testa low in the scum reads (2nd most scum) then not voting them as the wagon was building, and stubbornly sitting off until the wagon deflated then voting there to appease Koba. Like why the fuck doesn't anyone see what i do with NPOM.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Why you pressing me on this? Our reads align, so im confused by why you need more details. I drew a different conclusion from the wagon, but here's what I'm confused about. We had two flash wagons in a matter of days with alot of overlap on the people on it. Snow/Bob was first, you were second. Im looking more at wagon composition in drawing my conclusion. I dont see how scum drove one and not the other with as much overlap as was there.

Honestly I'm more confused by you asking for more detail from me on what was obviously more a gut read than anything else (dude had been here for like 5 pages) when my read aligned with yours.

I dont see how from town!Test's perspective, you look at 2 flash wagons with a decent bit of overlap and not think they're scum influenced.

Because our reads align and I am not town on you I am interested in it. It didn't looked to me like a gut read with meaning that his entrance fits into his town persona sounded to me like you know more about him. Anyway no use in hairsplitting either.

I don't know how you reach that last conclusion. Literally half of my wagon ended up on bob, why do you think I am avoiding that wagon and even joined the counterwagon? (my reads on bob and janko aside)

This was the result of me being confused. Now that I get that youre at Town!Bob, your play makes sense. My confusion was in you asking me for clarification when our reads were aligned. Now I get that it was about me and not Bob. Sorry my answers weren't more helpful.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Mod can we get a vote count?

I think we got both wagons at L-1 right now.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I don't mind waiting if people have something to say.

@NPOM - I want thoughts from you and not where you try and push off the blame on Koba. Who is the better elimination and why? You've voted both these wagons today and kinda late, so you need to weigh in here.

[Andresvmb]

Datisi, do you know snow IRL?

no, i just saw [stuff] but can't talk about it

Ico & Datisi - do you town read the Bob slot or you just think janko is scum for changing reads on it?

i literally said i think bob is being townie

Right, because I said you have no reasoning of your own Datisi.

I think Janko has a lot less content, so is an easier push. And is nowhere near as aggressive at defending themselves (that seems obvious in light of the last 4 pages), so people might be more inclined to switch over there and not feel bad about it. Well, I don’t see Janko flipping Scum so I’m not voting there. Good luck getting that one through.

what does it matter who is an easier push or not??? like if i wanted an easy push with no content i'd go george or aldus like tf is this post even saying?

You’re great at throwing shade, not great at trying to think through what others are saying if it remotely conflicts with what you’re saying.

It shows no conviction. That’s why it matters. If you’re a hard Scum Read for me, you bet I’m going to be pushing you as hard as I can, and actually keeping my vote there. Bob said I “reeked of Scum”, but votes Janko? It’s total BS.

And who is arguing that this applies to you? You aren’t even reading it in context. I’m arguing that Janko was a far easier push

for Bob

(instead of VPB or me), which explains the vote. Now, others have aligned there.

With this logic, why arent you voting NPOM for doing the same think by having Testa low in the scum reads (2nd most scum) then not voting them as the wagon was building, and stubbornly sitting off until the wagon deflated then voting there to appease Koba. Like why the fuck doesn't anyone see what i do with NPOM.

I have expressed mighty skepticism of the NPOM slot. At this point, I’m not willing to move. We can discuss tomorrow based on execution and flip.