Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Jake The Wolfie]

okay? why do i have to agree with them?

who are my "brothers in arms"? dann? the one i argued with for 10 pages?

"Menalque is one of them. Paradoxically voting me while seeing my purity.

You don't have to agree with anyone. Disagree with whomever you like."

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ooh scum slip. He’s saying he knows you’re town Hiraki.
Also, not really jake.

"Ah yes, let me pull a Menalque and vote someone who I secretly think is pure. That makes perfect sense, Bell."

[Bell]

Paradoxically you’re voting hiraki while saying she has compatriots.

[Bell]

He*

[Jake The Wolfie]

Paradoxically you’re voting hiraki while saying she has compatriots.

"Anyone can be your brother in arms. Even traitors. They just have to push on the same side as you, even as they stab you in the back."

[Bell]

Weak.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Weak.

"It is weak. That doesn't make it any less true for how I say it. Especially when finding synonyms for peers."

[Hiraki]

Don't you also see how being 'witty' and 'cool' is actually being detrimental to your role too? Even Bell didn't understand whatever the hell "brother in arms" means. For the record, it's NAI to me. Just continuing to be useless.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Don't you also see how being 'witty' and 'cool' is actually being detrimental to your role too? Even Bell didn't understand whatever the hell "brother in arms" means. For the record, it's NAI to me. Just continuing to be useless.

"Smile, my dear. You might become lonely and depressed, and even I won't spend an eternity in hell with that."

[Hiraki]

Ohhhhhh you got me Jake. The clapback is HARD there.

[Bell]

Hope springs eternal.
A peer isn’t a synonym of compatriot.

[Almost50]

if Jake flips scum: I get killed tomorrow and am freed from this game and Dramonic and hiraki look really dumb for calling me scum and I get to crow about how if town they were totally wrong

This doesn't even make any sense AT ALL.

How ON EARTH would they "look really dumb" provided Hake flips SCUM??? And how would they be "totally wrong" in this case, even if you flip town next?

Listen, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS GAME specifically, but your playstyle is weird and you seem to always manage to get dig yourself ditches that you then struggle to get out of.

First: You ONLY trust your own reads, and it's hard for you to see thing from someone else's PoV (even if they were mod-confirmed).

Second: You go "all in" on one read which makes you look really bad if they flip green.

Third: This here quote looks very much like it could be designed to fall back to when/if hake flips scum. "Would I have said that as scum who knew Jake would flip scum? Why would I suggest we kill me next when the team is of only 2, thus we get eliminated?"

I am NOT saying this is the case. I am pointing out it "could be" and you seam to always do stuff like that (my past experience with you).

But that's only of Jake flips scum. What if he flips town? You sill look worse than anyone who pushed him, and -certainly- anyone that defended him and refused to vote him.

In short: If you're town, you're not helping. If you're scum, you're doomed.

I do apologize if this comes across as a harsh attack, but trust me.. if I was scum here it's be VERY EASY for me to set you up as the next elimination regardless. I won't even care if you were on the opposing team, because the push on you would be so easy it makes sense to come from just about ANYONE at all.

Again, SORRY. I just.. like your company but not at all your play "as of late". (I guess that's as close as I can phrase it without actually crossing the lines)

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ohhhhhh you got me Jake. The clapback is HARD there.

"Well, at least you project a happy persona."

Hope springs eternal.
A peer isn’t a synonym of compatriot.

"Isn't it lovely then, that I didn't use compatriot."

[Almost50]

Maybe hiraki or draconic will get shot and you won’t have to worry about it.

I don't get this one either. Menalque is saying he is Town and frustrated by the SRs on him. How does his pushers getting shot make him feel at ease??

[Hiraki]

I know A50 would do the above as town or scum but there is specific phrasing in that post for me to TR him for that post.

[Hiraki]

(Above being 1161)

[Bell]

Brother in arm’s isn’t either.

Mena has a scum read on hiraki, I don’t think he has one of dramonic?

[Almost50]

in any world where hiraki and dram are town scum never kill them because it means that this conflict continues into D2 or D3 or whenever until people finally get on board with guillotining one of them or with guillotining me

You're forgetting this is MB. Nobody can tell which of you -of any- is on the other team. You would have been likely correct if this was a game with a single scum side.

[Almost50]

Good idea, but before we put it into practice I'd request that you elaborate on how it will affest your oen reads in each case. Like, who would suspect more if Hiraki flips green/red and who will be conf-town to you in both cases?

err if hiraki flips scum then I just wanna proceed with flipping through my pool which would then be like (gamma, you, gypx!slot, Dunn) maybe mara as well depending on what dann has to say there

if hiraki is green then like, (you, gypx, dunn) are all still probably in my PoE. gamma is maybe less likely? mara probably goes in, dram comes down quite a bit. bell probably goes down a bit, Jake goes down

like if all of (me, teacher, dann, hiraki, dram) are town and fighting with one another then I think scum are probably all the passive slots, maybe 1 person trying to worm their way in to have an influence on what's happening

Comparing the first two paragraphs I don't see a major difference between Hiraki flipping red/green. A50/gypx/Dunn are still in your PoE either way, and mara goes from "maybe" to "probably". Even Gamma is still there in essmce, only "less likely". So HOW THE FREAK would that flip be of any considerable value to you, information-wise?

[Almost50]

if hiraki is green then like, (you, gypx, dunn) are all still probably in my PoE. gamma is maybe less likely? mara probably goes in, dram comes down quite a bit. bell probably goes down a bit, Jake goes down

Aside from that, you are adding three more slots to your list if Hiraki is green?? Am I reading this wrong???

[Bell]

A50, why the focus here?

[Bell]

Sorry to derail you if you think this is helping.
But this reads a lot like criticism rather than scum hunting.

[teacher]

If you vote those slots regardless of Hirakis flip, why aren’t you voting them now? Do you really think the HAVEN slot is likely to be scum, after defending her so much? You’re giving up on the day in a way that’s gross.

[teacher]

(To be clear, not scummy, just ???? I don’t get the posture)

[Almost50]

I think I've finally pinpointed why it's hard for em to follow the game properly. Too much noise, too much fluff, and too much side conversations that have nothing to do with the game itself. My plan was simple: Sit back and try to read people to decide who was more likely to be scum, and who was more likely to be their p in that case. Who dramonic's idols are isn't helping (just an example of side conversations). Some players are composing some of their posts in a "Shakespearean" manner too, so to speak. Some are responding to posts without quoting what they're responding to when there had been intermediate posts between the two that are addressing something totally different.

I am sorry if I sound like an arse here, but the game has been really hard to follow when I wasn't able to use 100% of my concentration abilities.