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[clidd]

Farren doesn't look very friendly and the tone presented so far is being more questioning, which I do not assimilate to scum.

I think he would care about image maintenance and post filler-friendly things as scum in this initial stage.

[Menalque]

I was thinking about how a lot of players in this PL are high WIM tryhards

high WIM tryhards?? in my good christian playerlist??? where????

(p.s. why is gamma your top TR?)

[clidd]

But I don't know.

[Menalque]

I wouldn't be down for policying somebody solely because we think they'd still be good as a tree stump.

that's exactly what my top choice for someone to treestump based on BoP

would

say!

[GuiltyLion]

@Menalque - I don't think 70 is likely to come from scum, that's a really aggressive/call-attention-to-yourself way to defend somebody.

@clidd - I think the couple of issues I have with Farren are that a few of his questions don't seem likely to advance the game in a useful way and are either blendy or stirring things - mainly 20 and 72. I also think the soft defense of Ydrasse may be a WK

[Menalque]

...so then what do you make of him immediately backing off on it once questioned further?

[clidd]

I can see why you two are suspecting him and understand the reasons, but I don't think that his line of action would be something that he would want to follow as scum.

[clidd]

And by default, he would be more cautious in the first few interactions.

Shooting all over the place is weird to scum!He trying to simulate what town!He would do in this situation.

[clidd]

It can be a particularity of his profile or maybe just the way he plays.

By looking his meta we would know, but I don't think I want it.

[clidd]

By extension, my impression of him basically represents to me what the interpretation of Gamma's conduct means to you, Lion.

[clidd]

By extension, my impression of him basically represents to me what the interpretation of Gamma's conduct means to you, Lion.

Not in terms of intensity compared to my impression on Ydrasse (Ydrasse is more towny) but in the belief that the impression is, in fact, suggestive.

[Gamma Emerald]

I townread Gamma, I think that's my strongest read right now

regarding the idea of eliminating strong town players - I agree that there might be a side benefit if we tree stump someone with good reads, but when I rolled scum I was thinking about how a lot of players in this PL are high WIM tryhards and going to be difficult to convincingly scumread/eliminate. so I'd be skeptical of letting people get away with votes just because the consequences aren't too bad if we hit town - that still allows scum to get a step closer to wincon, and could give them more room to justify/excuse their votes. If we're voting to eliminate someone I think voters still need to pressed to explain why that player in particular is likely to be scum, I wouldn't be down for policying somebody solely because we think they'd still be good as a tree stump.

Interesting. I won’t put it past someone to townread me, but why do you specifically townread me? I recall you expressing I am not an easy read for you in the past.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Menalque - I don't think 70 is likely to come from scum, that's a really aggressive/call-attention-to-yourself way to defend somebody.

@clidd - I think the couple of issues I have with Farren are that a few of his questions don't seem likely to advance the game in a useful way and are either blendy or stirring things - mainly 20 and 72. I also think the soft defense of Ydrasse may be a WK

That’s about what I expected for the base reasoning, though I’m still okay if you want to expand on that a little.

[Farren]

@clidd - I think the couple of issues I have with Farren are that a few of his questions don't seem likely to advance the game in a useful way and are either blendy or stirring things - mainly 20 and 72. I also think the soft defense of Ydrasse may be a WK

Purpose of 20 - an excuse for engaging clidd, specifically. I think I'm going to need extra interactions with him to be able to read him properly.
Purpose of 72 - I didn't like the confidence level that 70 implied - at least if the post was sincere. But I did like the ... brashness, I guess? I was trying to figure out a way to divorce the two, figure out which is more indicative. Based on Gamma's answer, I'd say the brashness - which is a small plus.

As far as defending Ydrasse goes: describing her as "Friendly" was not a defense. It was more a probe on Menalque to see if he was advocating for "Friendly = Scummy," - which he was not. The only other post - 62 - yes, that's a small plus to Ydrasse, as it's something I'd noticed as well. Why would you think that constitutes white knighting?

[Farren]

Farren doesn't look very friendly and the tone presented so far is being more questioning, which I do not assimilate to scum.

I think he would care about image maintenance and post filler-friendly things as scum in this initial stage.

Image maintenance - yup, I'd care about that as scum.
Whether or not I'm posting filler-friendly stuff is more of a mood thing / familiarity thing than an alignment thing.

[clidd]

Friendly-filler was a guess, but it's basically something generic that I imagined Scum!You could do ^

[clidd]

By the way, did you get any impression from their fos on you ?

[clidd]

Spoiler:

@clidd - I think the couple of issues I have with Farren are that a few of his questions don't seem likely to advance the game in a useful way and are either blendy or stirring things - mainly 20 and 72. I also think the soft defense of Ydrasse may be a WK

Purpose of 20 - an excuse for engaging clidd, specifically. I think I'm going to need extra interactions with him to be able to read him properly.
Purpose of 72 - I didn't like the confidence level that 70 implied - at least if the post was sincere. But I did like the ... brashness, I guess? I was trying to figure out a way to divorce the two, figure out which is more indicative. Based on Gamma's answer, I'd say the brashness - which is a small plus.

As far as defending Ydrasse goes: describing her as "Friendly" was not a defense. It was more a probe on Menalque to see if he was advocating for "Friendly = Scummy," - which he was not. The only other post - 62 - yes, that's a small plus to Ydrasse, as it's something I'd noticed as well. Why would you think that constitutes white knighting?

Besides that.

[Morning Tweet]

regarding the idea of eliminating strong town players - I agree that there might be a side benefit if we tree stump someone with good reads, but when I rolled scum I was thinking about how a lot of players in this PL are high WIM tryhards and going to be difficult to convincingly scumread/eliminate. so I'd be skeptical of letting people get away with votes just because the consequences aren't too bad if we hit town - that still allows scum to get a step closer to wincon, and could give them more room to justify/excuse their votes. If we're voting to eliminate someone I think voters still need to pressed to explain why that player in particular is likely to be scum, I wouldn't be down for policying somebody solely because we think they'd still be good as a tree stump.

Of course! i do not want to policy strong players. The only practical application i can think of is maybe if we're stuck between two scummy players and need tie breaker reasoning. And also i realized that doused players who get stumped stay doused anyway so we aren't exactly protecting them come maybe day 3 day 4

[Morning Tweet]

Farren doesn't look very friendly and the tone presented so far is being more questioning, which I do not assimilate to scum.

I think he would care about image maintenance and post filler-friendly things as scum in this initial stage.

That's interesting and not a bad thought, although you could make the opposite argument and say scum would be more inclined to look busy with questioning, "solving", n what not

@clidd - I think the couple of issues I have with Farren are that a few of his questions don't seem likely to advance the game in a useful way and are either blendy or stirring things - mainly 20 and 72. I also think the soft defense of Ydrasse may be a WK

Purpose of 20 - an excuse for engaging clidd, specifically. I think I'm going to need extra interactions with him to be able to read him properly.
Purpose of 72 - I didn't like the confidence level that 70 implied - at least if the post was sincere. But I did like the ... brashness, I guess? I was trying to figure out a way to divorce the two, figure out which is more indicative. Based on Gamma's answer, I'd say the brashness - which is a small plus.

As far as defending Ydrasse goes: describing her as "Friendly" was not a defense. It was more a probe on Menalque to see if he was advocating for "Friendly = Scummy," - which he was not. The only other post - 62 - yes, that's a small plus to Ydrasse, as it's something I'd noticed as well. Why would you think that constitutes white knighting?

So if I'm getting this right, you asked clidd the question about his opening in 20 with the explicit purpose of getting extra interactions with him?

And not just that, but describing Ydrasse as friendly was actually to see whether or not Mena was equivocating friendly with scummy.

...i wish i had that much direction in my opening posts

[Farren]

By the way, did you get any impression from their fos on you ?

There's not much to tell from the generic "awkwardness" / tonal pings. It's a pretty common accusation, and it's pretty common for either Town or scum to pick up on it and say something about it. So nothing on Morning Tweet or Menalque.

Ask me again after GuiltyLion responds to me. His was the only one that went into depth.

[Farren]

So if I'm getting this right, you asked clidd the question about his opening in 20 with the explicit purpose of getting extra interactions with him?

And not just that, but describing Ydrasse as friendly was actually to see whether or not Mena was equivocating friendly with scummy.

...i wish i had that much direction in my opening posts

Cold and calculating is how I play. At least up until something clicks and I go full-bore Inquisitor. Usually coincides with becoming conf-town, if and when that happens. One of the reasons I prefer Open or semi-Open setups, and part of the reason I signed up to play this setup in particular.

[clidd]

That's interesting and not a bad thought, although you could make the opposite argument and say scum would be more inclined to look busy with questioning, "solving", n what not

Yes, but scum trying to look busy will try to hide that he's trying to look busy. Questioning people in parallel could also bring repercussions not so pleasant, in the sense of calling attention and etc.

[clidd]

By the way, did you get any impression from their fos on you ?

There's not much to tell from the generic "awkwardness" / tonal pings. It's a pretty common accusation, and it's pretty common for either Town or scum to pick up on it and say something about it. So nothing on Morning Tweet or Menalque.

Ask me again after GuiltyLion responds to me. His was the only one that went into depth.

Hum, ok.

[clidd]

I like you Farren, but try to have fun too (in your own way).

I don't know if being cold or playing seriously is something that gives you fun, but I particularly feel that my fun falls when I take games very seriously.