Micro 962: Geriatric Trio II (Town Victory)

[The Bulge]

@mod

I unvoted in 262

[Aristophanes]

VC 1.8

Sou and Kanna

(3): AGar 26, xReckonerx 31, Michael Scott 197

Bingle

(2): Kmd4930 7, Bell 152

KMD4930

(2): Bingle 239, Sou and Kanna 241

Not Voting

(2): Porkens 235, The Bulge 262

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to Eliminate
Day one ends Tuesday, August 25th at 8:30pm EST, or in (expired on 2020-08-25 20:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Reck is V/LA

Porkens has used 1/20 Reserve Posts
Bell has used 19/20 Reserve Posts
Just a reminder that Post Counts reset at 8:30pm EST for this phase and that your Reserve Posts are a game-long reserve.

[Aristophanes]

@mod

I unvoted in 262

Edited and updated.

Did I ever claim to be a good mod?

[Bell]

When am I allowed to vote Reckoner.

[Bell]

Because of set up and post restrictions I'll have to adjust a little.

Scott is town till day 2.

LS Reckoner for previous post in which he put town at the bottom of his list and put bingle right above it.

Everybody else is pretty Null to me. See town stuff, see scum stuff. Can't tell which players are trying to look town and which ones are just trying hard to be town. Can't tell which is just posting style/personality and which is them being scummy.

[Porkens]

Hi Bell. Am I town or scum?

[Bell]

I lean town, ever so slightly.

[Bingle]

That seems like a lot.

Does it, now? I'm willing to vote in the people who I'm not townreading on a wagon I believe to have scum motivation, and you. Less so Porkens, because he's actually putting out content to engage with unprodded. Who on that list do you think I should be unwilling to vote? Why?

Second of all, yes, I would be willing to wagon most of the thread right now. Would you not be? Why would you not be? Third, the accusation that I haven't given any townreads is untrue (15, 34, etc.). Finally, your "unprompted" statement was not only prompted by clidd, but you literally snipped the quote of the prompting from the post in order to make that point.

@KMD: still want an answer to these, btw. I'd also appreciate an explanation of how all of your provably false statements were not lies.

I'd also like to hear from bulge whether he thinks that KMD wasn't lying, and why, but I'd prefer that happen afterwards.

@Reck: I wouldn't have half as much issue with Porkens if he hadn't put S&K to E-1 in a way I found scummy. I have addressed this multiple times, but that is why what he did was scummy. The explanation he gave was subpar in my opinion, but that's not why the action was scummy in the first place.

Spoiler: MULTIPLE TIMES

He also uses the opportunity to cast an unannounced E-1 vote on S&K when I fully believe he knew how close to elimination the wagon was (there's a VC earlier that page). Framing the post the way he did made it more likely for an accidental hammer by far, and I think he fully knew what he was doing in doing that.

A note, my actual accusation, the meat of the scumread here, was that Porkens made a whole lot of something out of that post in order to put S&K at E-1 without announcing that it was an E-1 vote. Which... remains true.

You explained the rest (here: the majority of the issue with your posting) in

In post 116, Porkens wrote:
Complete transparency I did not look at the vote count or count votes before I posted with my vote. However, after I made that post, I read the rest of the thread and saw that I had put Souk at e-1. I considered taking it down, but then decided just to leave it and see what came of it.


as little more than an aside several posts after your initial defense. Which tells me that you wanted to paint the accusation as being more about the tone and context of the original than about the real scum motivation present. I am aware of that defense, and also find it wholly unsatisfying. I'm also not here to convince you you're scum, but to convince everyone else of my PoV.

[Kmd4390]

Was this not an answer to the first quote?

Does it, now? I'm willing to vote in the people who I'm not townreading on a wagon I believe to have scum motivation, and you. Less so Porkens, because he's actually putting out content to engage with unprodded. Who on that list do you think I should be unwilling to vote? Why?

Your vote I your vote and I won't tell you how to use it. But I'll make observations and you just said you're willing to vote half the game. But if you want my opinion on those players, I haven't seen a reason to scum read reck yet. Bugspray I'm with you on. Porkens, meh, maybe.

To the questions in the second quote:
1) No, I'm not willing to wagon half the players in the game.
2) Because I'm not scum reading them.
3) I didn't say you had no town reads. I said you'd left your options open to wagon anyone except maybe clidd. You responded by pointing out town reads on Porkens (and this read has changed for you) and Agar ("slightly stronger town read than the rest of you" doesn't sound like "won't ever vote"). It just seems convenient to be in position to vote anyone at any time.

[xRECKONERx]

huh. i have literally never in my life announced when a vote i was making put someone at E-1? is that a commonly expected thing?

this is just bizarre...if someone "accidentally" hammered them, why wouldn't the blame be on

the person hammering

rather than porkens??

also i have a great joke for you all
what do u call people who take care of chickens

[Bell]

^ A chicken tender.

[Bell]

VOTE: XreckonerX
10/10 Joke.

E-4.

@Bingle you seem almost as ontop of this game as your avatar is when protecting that king of his. Do you usually play like that as either alignment?

[xRECKONERx]

^ A chicken tender.

yes it was this

can you explain what this means

LS Reckoner for previous post in which he put town at the bottom of his list and put bingle right above it.

bc i assume that's why you're voting for me and i don't know what LS means

[Bell]

In short OMGUS.

LS means lean scum.
I don’t care what you role pm says, that pun makes you 100% scum.

[Kmd4390]

huh. i have literally never in my life announced when a vote i was making put someone at E-1? is that a commonly expected thing?

this is just bizarre...if someone "accidentally" hammered them, why wouldn't the blame be on

the person hammering

rather than porkens??

also i have a great joke for you all
what do u call people who take care of chickens

I don't think I have either but I can tell by my last handful of games it's expected now.

[Bingle]

@Bingle you seem almost as ontop of this game as your avatar is when protecting that king of his. Do you usually play like that as either alignment?

I must confess, I have no idea what my avatar is. I lost a SUPP bet and this is the avatar that was chosen for me after the mod team decided the original choice was too lewd for an avatar. (It was very boobsy). I don't anime often (ever).

As I understand it, though, the question is whether I put this much effort into all of my games and whether it's AI for me. The answer is no and slightly. I'm slightly more likely to tryhard as scum than town, and effort is more a indicator of mood for me, although admittedly there is some value to be gleaned in how my mood relates to the game for people who know me well.

@KMD: The answer you have is a bit of a cop out, considering I took the original statement as accusatory in nature. Do you think being willing to vote many different people is scummy, and if so, why? Do you only ever vote for people you think are lockscum? Are there no valid reasons to vote null reads? Who do you think I should have had as a locktown as of now, and why?

@Reck: Yes, it is commonly expected that sudden E-1 votes, especially early ones, come with a form of acknowledgement nowadays. E-1 announcements started being a thing before my first newbie in 2013, so...

Do you disagree with my premise that Porken's analysis of S&K's RVS vote and subsequent E-1 vote was scummy because it was an E-1 vote that was overdone, or just that it was an E-1 vote that was overdone? If it's the latter, I doubt attempting to convince you on that will bear fruit, as I've already beaten that horse to death. If it's the former, why isn't that behavior scum indicative?

@Agar: Are you intentionally still voting S&K, and if so is it still because of the joke readslist? What do you make of the fact S&K has seen this exact style of joke readslist before, and my argument that they would be less likely to copy it as scum because the only person who they know has seen it deathtunneled it last time?

[Bell]

Well to summarize that story:
There's a queen ant that washes up in a third world country and lays the egg of the king. She mixes and matches DNA from animals and humans by eating them. Creates 4 Guardians for her child. One of them is your avatar. She's probably best known for delaying an enemy of the king while performing surgery on his chess pal.

You sort of remind me of mafia. But I'm still trying to figure out your motivation behind your approach.
You're not wrong on the E-1 idea, sometimes mafia are less able to see or care about the position they're putting another player in.
Hard to say with Porkens though, he can be sloppy.

[AGar]

@Agar: Are you intentionally still voting S&K, and if so is it still because of the joke readslist? What do you make of the fact S&K has seen this exact style of joke readslist before, and my argument that they would be less likely to copy it as scum because the only person who they know has seen it deathtunneled it last time?

Re, 177: Behaviorally I do not like your posting, have found several pieces to be contrived and needlessly dragging out inane bullshit in a manner that isn't conducive to moving the game state forward - like you're doing here where you continue to circle back to a Page 7 comment and ask me to explain the same thing multiple different ways like you're probing it from different angles when you're just using new words to get to the same point - and generally not beneficial to town.

In other news, Bell's entrance thus far is underwhelming.

[Bell]

Sorry Agar, if you wanted me to solve the game for you, your princess is in another castle.

[Porkens]

The e-1 thing is a shitty tell, I’ll say that. As scum I’m waaaaaaaaaaay more careful with how my vote looks. I understand it might be :good play: to anno8nce it as not to give scum an excuse to quickhamme but as a scumtell it’s just flat stupid.

[Porkens]

Souk what was the point of your agar vote?

[AGar]

Sorry Agar, if you wanted me to solve the game for you, your princess is in another castle.

I am utterly shocked you don't know the difference between "underwhelming entrances" and "solving the game." Shocked, I tell you!

[Bell]

Sorry Agar, if you wanted me to solve the game for you, your princess is in another castle.

I am utterly shocked you don't know the difference between "underwhelming entrances" and "solving the game." Shocked, I tell you!

Psh, I'm sorry I don't measure up to your high standards.

You said Reck is looking town on engagement and consistency, what consistency are you referring to and how does that make him town?
You made this comment before Reck's recent catch up post (I think?) what do you see in Reck's recent post that strikes you one way or the other on his alignment?

[Porkens]

Sorry Agar, if you wanted me to solve the game for you, your princess is in another castle.

I am utterly shocked you don't know the difference between "underwhelming entrances" and "solving the game." Shocked, I tell you!

Psh, I'm sorry I don't measure up to your high standards.

You said Reck is looking town on engagement and consistency, what consistency are you referring to and how does that make him town?
You made this comment before Reck's recent catch up post (I think?) what do you see in Reck's recent post that strikes you one way or the other on his alignment?

What’s the point of this line of questioning bell? It seems like pure busywork to me.

[Bell]

So he had a read and then I'm asking how his read has developed since then.
I'm also asking him to spell out what he sees/can show me what he sees so I can understand, agree, or disagree on his reasons for town reading Reck and also so that I may decide if his perspective is false or not.