Micro 962: Geriatric Trio II (Town Victory)

[The Bulge]

it's ok I'm only upset because now I have to read clidd's early posts

[Aristophanes]

it's okay I'm only upset because I missed the pagetop by 1 post like an idiot

[Porkens]

VOTE: The Bulge
It's not to do with the origin story. It's just I think you're trying to be likable and I don't think your perspective is quite on the level in terms of reads.
Sorry if wrong and we could have built a town block and been best buddies forever. Lost opportunities.

How sure are you?

[Michael Scott]

Not really interested in a Bingle elim today.

-Jimothy

[Porkens]

Not really interested in a Bingle elim today.

-Jimothy

same.

[Bell]

Don’t sheep me porkens, I don’t know who the scum are this game.

[Porkens]

Don’t sheep me porkens, I don’t know who the scum are this game.

put KMD at e-1 just make sure you tell everyone in triplicate

[Bell]

How sure are you?

[Porkens]

65%?

[Bell]

VOTE: KMD

E-1
E-1
E-1

Why?

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

I don't know. Never mind.

[Bell]

i'm very drunk and wont be doing this tonight sry

Coward

VOTE: TheBulge

[Porkens]

I don't want to flip anyone. I want this day to go

forever

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

[Bell]

Wanna be town buddies pork?

[Kmd4390]

And you continue to not answer when I ask you to correct me.

Are there any other reasons?

I'm not going to take your word when you tell me I'm wrong, because I'm not a moron. If you actually have other reasons to scumread me then town you would want to actually make them known, but they simply don't seem to exist. You're avoiding any engagement on the topic. When I point out your lies, your response is "I don't lie". When I point out that the only reasons you've given for scumreading me are shit reasons, your response is "You can't tell me what my opinions are!" The flail is real. You can't defend yourself because there is no defense, and you're hoping no one reads the thread closely enough to notice.

You even linked my reasons. Then invented more for some reason.

[Sou and Kanna]

I understand "hasn't swept me off my feet" to mean I haven't done anything overtly Towny. but you keep saying it as if you have absolutely nothing to say about my posts one way or another? and your lack of engagement with me despite a focus on my predecessor's 4 bullshit posts enforces that point. what's the dealioo

your posting has been pretty mild and that's part of the problem. also, i looked back through your iso and i'm not sure where you stand on bingle considering you unvoted in 262. why is kmd a null to you? what are your reads?

~kanna

[Sou and Kanna]

@Sou & Kanna, I think Bingle could be scum, but not really? It's a little bizarre for him to case himself by acknowledging he plays similarly to this as scum. I get the feeling he trys to emulate his town thought process as scum. All I know for sure is that he uses rhetoric like a club and I admire that.

@Kanna, I'm not sure about porkens, but a little townish just because of my experiences with him before being kind of a low bar for scum reading him. I'm not really sure what Kmd is doing if he's scum here he's experienced enough that he should be able to control other's perception of him to an extent but I don't really see anything like that here?

i know i said i would be up to talk, but i don't really know how to respond, or if this is supposed to be responded to?

just acknowledging i read this; thanks for @'ing

~kanna

[Sou and Kanna]

I don't think your perspective is quite on the level in terms of reads.

what does this mean?

~kanna

[Sou and Kanna]

also there's 1 day left! just a reminder! i agree with datisi about kmd not looking great with the bingle interactions, so that's where i'm leaning too. although i'm kind of confused as to why everyone is avoiding this topic

~kanna

[Bingle]

I mean your post to me sounded like a "meh any of these 4-5 is fine". I want to eliminate you. I'd be satisfied with The Bulge. Porkens I'd be compromising. Anything after that is be doing reluctantly if there was no other choice. You're also acting like this was my only reason to suspect you which just isn't true.

Your reasons for suspecting me according to 224:

I didn't bandwagon with my RVS vote.¹
I, in addition to talking about the game, expressed distaste over the chess and pointed out mod errors to the mod.²
"We know nothing about where Bingle stands on Porkens" which is provably untrue and obviously so to anyone paying even a little bit of attention.³
I don't want to rock boats.⁴
Outright lies about a post not being a response to anything and thus objectionable.⁵


Are there any other reasons? Because reasons 1 and 2 are nonsense, 3 is the exact opposite of the truth, 4 is laughable given that I've spent the entire game townreading the two wagons most likely to go through other than yours and mine, and the last is provably fabricated. So yes, I don't think you have a real reason to suspect me and are just looking to secure a mislynch.

Agar,

I originally voted Bingle on page 1 because they seemed scared to be associated with the clidd wagon.¹ They voted elsewhere and didn't acknowledge the "wagon". Granted it's two votes, but those were the only two posts of the game which forces the next poster to ask do I vote with the wagon? Do I vote someone on the wagon? The exception is if Bingle came in with a joke vote that was pre-planned before game start. I don't see that in the Porkens vote, which Bingle abandons to OMGUS me.

Bingles next couple of posts just feel like posts for the sake of posts. The callout of the chess game, non-read on Porkens, info on who Hydra pairs are, and pagetop comment to the Mod do nothing for the game.² It's common knowledge that a chess game in a mafia game thread just doesn't belong. We know nothing on where Bingle actually stands on Porkens yet the name has been brought up a few times.³ I don't know, it just feels like Bingle is trying to give us a lot of words without rocking any boats.⁴

Next, Bingle gives some scum reads but it's just the wagon and the guy voting Bingle. So... I really don't see anything more than surface level stuff here. It's also scum reads on about half the game. If a wagon pops up, Bingle really hasn't given us ANY he'd be unwilling to join except maybe clidd.

This caught my eye too:

As far as the wagon on me, I'm not particularly worried, nor will it influence the way I play the game.

It was unprompted so it seems like feeling the need to acknowledge the wagon and it seems like a downplayed way to say "I don't feel any pressure". It just feels unneeded.⁵

Show me what I made up. I even linked what I think you said to what your actual words were that conveyed that meaning to me, so it should be really easy.

Show me how 3 is not a lie, given that I've pointed out that my Porkens read is the sole read I've been most explicit in explaining.
Show me how you justify 4.
Show me how this is not a reaction to something.

Bingle is E-2, is he going to say something ?

Say it with me now... Geriatric. You should probably go read the linked Geriatric rules in the OP, because you seem to completely misunderstand them.

As far as the wagon on me, I'm not particularly worried, nor will it influence the way I play the game.

@Everyone who is not voting KMD: Why?

[Bingle]

The other reason, for completeness:

I mean your post to me sounded like a "meh any of these 4-5 is fine". I want to eliminate you. I'd be satisfied with The Bulge. Porkens I'd be compromising. Anything after that is be doing reluctantly if there was no other choice. You're also acting like this was my only reason to suspect you which just isn't true.

The post in question.

I would be truly shocked if there is not scum on the S&K wagon, and I TR Agar. (I also TR clidd and S&K). I would be willing to vote Bspray slot, Reck, or KMD. I think Porkens has decent scum equity, but he also seems likely to amuse me and so I wouldn't vote there without being a bit more sure of myself.

Note, things I express in the post about how “I’d be willing to vote anyone”:

I have 3 townreads.
I would vote 3 players based on them being on a shit wagon.
I scumread but am reluctant to vote a 4th player (Porkens).

Note, things kmd has claimed I expressed:

I would be willing to eliminate all but one player in the game.
I want to vote 4-5 players based on the logic of “meh”.
I am obscuring my read of Porkens.

Note, kmds narrative contains nothing resembling truth and his defense against that is “I don’t lie.”

[xRECKONERx]

ok i'm here and i'm reading

[xRECKONERx]

i have 0% idea what most of porkens posts have meant as of late. is he drunk?

@reck, you still scumreading us, or? had us in the middle of your reads but your vote is still glued on

i mean, you're exactly where i said you were in the middle of the pack. likely won't be my vote today, i just had to slam out that reads list and press submit before going to a meeting.

Kmd, Bulge, Reck and Agar is your elim pool?
Could you articulate your feels?

- bingle is reminding me a lot of town!him i've seen, the reasons he's given about his read on my slot make sense to me, i can follow his thoughts in the game and also he looks much better in the bingle/kmd interaction
- i'm sheeping kanna on porkens, she'll be around later i think (i'm vaguely vaguely +town on porkens for playing differently than in Why Gun but gut tells me that game wasn't the epitome of porkens!scumplay)
- MS is like, showing some Decent attempts at sorting us (pending response) and also enough people are townreading them that i see they're not happening day one anyway
- clidd was towny at first, then weird, but the weirdness was so out of anything i've seen from scum!clidd, also your entrance was Fine

also excluding myself for obvious reaosns, that leaves those 4

preference for kmd (like just read that interaction with bingle), then bulge (i've spoken about bugs already, and bulge hasn't swept me off my feet either)

~sou

why did you not mention me at all when bell specifically asked about me?

Do you know what is horrible.
I only just realized that Reck's avatar is a blue dick. With He-Man hair and a pink coat.

wow you know nothing of the legend of SUNNY?



the bingle/kmd back and forth is weird... kmd looks like he's ducking questions, but he's doing it in such a PAINFULLY obvious way that i can't see how he'd be scum? i know "too scummy to be scum" is a fallacy but i think this falls outside of that.

VOTE: The Bulge
It's not to do with the origin story. It's just I think you're trying to be likable and I don't think your perspective is quite on the level in terms of reads.
Sorry if wrong and we could have built a town block and been best buddies forever. Lost opportunities.

i intensely dislike this vote esp. since bell didn't engage at all with the kmd/bingle thing and started his own wagon separately? like not even a comment.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Bell

given prior slot interactions + avoidance of kmd/bingle + push on bulge im most confident here today

i know we are <24hrs till deadline so i will compromise if i can't get votes here but i feel kinda strongly about this