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[VP Baltar]

I don’t understand why VPB is still alive.

Seems like a bad play. My guess is scum figured they'd get PoE'd if this went another day or 2. Me being alive today is obvious miselim bait meant to end the game on the first day of Xylo.

[Andresvmb]

And you know how everything you’ve said has been wrong right?

[Andresvmb]

^for NPOM.

[Iconeum]

You know this is ello right?

answer my questions

[Andresvmb]

@Iconeum NPOM is Scum. Ignore the slot completely.

[Andresvmb]

Giving NPOM any say in what happens today is wrong.

[NoPowerOverMe]

And you have been right?

[Andresvmb]

I don’t understand why VPB is still alive.

Seems like a bad play. My guess is scum figured they'd get PoE'd if this went another day or 2. Me being alive today is obvious miselim bait meant to end the game on the first day of Xylo.

Yeah but the easiest way to fight it is by eliminating Scum outside of your guilty. The wagon that formed on Alduskkel was pure. Anybody that has half a brain cell can see that clearly. And a counter wagon on Town formed that also formed almost identically on me. I understand the urge here to go for the red check, I do. But what my gut is telling me is that Aldus is a far better execution.

[Andresvmb]

And you have been right?

I’m not interacting with Scum. Go kick sand.

[VP Baltar]

I don’t understand why VPB is still alive.

Seems like a bad play. My guess is scum figured they'd get PoE'd if this went another day or 2. Me being alive today is obvious miselim bait meant to end the game on the first day of Xylo.

Yeah but the easiest way to fight it is by eliminating Scum outside of your guilty. The wagon that formed on Alduskkel was pure. Anybody that has half a brain cell can see that clearly. And a counter wagon on Town formed that also formed almost identically on me. I understand the urge here to go for the red check, I do. But what my gut is telling me is that Aldus is a far better execution.

I get that from your perspective if you're town, but there is a non-zero chance you or Ico *could* be scum. I have a guaranteed guilty here. Koba is the correct elimination.

[Andresvmb]

I agree that Scum could have decided to keep you alive for the WIFOM. It’s possible. But it is also mighty convenient.

Listen if you’re still peddling the notion that Ico or I could be Scum, then I don’t know what to tell you. Alduskkel

is

Scum. It’s obvious. Testa never comes up as an alternative otherwise.

[Andresvmb]

I've always been a little sympathetic to andres

Thanks? You should be somewhat convinced that I’m Town. Unless you think the wagon that formed on Testa after forming on me yesterday was Town motivated.

[VP Baltar]

I agree that Scum could have decided to keep you alive for the WIFOM. It’s possible. But it is also mighty convenient.

Listen if you’re still peddling the notion that Ico or I could be Scum, then I don’t know what to tell you. Alduskkel

is

Scum. It’s obvious. Testa never comes up as an alternative otherwise.

If you're peddling that you're more town then me, you're wrong. We're not yeeting off a confirmed guilty in Xylo. EVER.

Objective confirmed towniness goes: hellbrooks>VP>Ico>>>>>>everyone else

[DkKoba]

i know what this looks like from other points of view. and honestly??? imma take all the blame for the loss if anything. (except the jankofan hang. that was terrible). this is a sorta last ditch effort to help this game. i played terribly and my bob vote was bad.


1 thing is i want to see the 4 other unclears is to figure out a towncase. for 1 other person. anyone who doesnt is scum confirmed idc.

i want info. ur giving info. if u dont goodbye.

im keeping mine to myself at first so that it cant be played around.

i think imma be brutally honest i read playesr who i have direct meta with.
testa was rly scummy with their actions and fluffy words i dont know what to say there.

and crazy!for example, i read hellbrooks as informed and they were.

there's some points where I want to say that make me town:(a self town case if you will):

my d1. it was a TvT yes, but i was trying to lead and control. this isn't my scum MO. my scum MO esp in a 3p is to play sacrificial and confuse. i wouldn't want someone like janko to stick around to be able to towntell more.

d2. i blundered tbh. i TR bob and i was frustrated. i wanted them out so ppl would listen. i thought my case was better! and i thought u know what theres a good case scenario where my gut read is right and bob flips scum and i get psuedocleared. (seriously d2 i woulda bussed / sacced as scum to secure the game im not that tryhard as scum beyond my early/late game LOL)

d3? yeah that case on testa was good. with a testa / aldu andres solve npom was town. and yknow what it felt that way esp with a testa!scum flip.


also i claimed that jailkeeper claim bc someone said that the town EV was bad?? like i was like ok.. sounds stupid but we'll roll with it and try to trick scum. if im dead well this is going into dead thread. (rip ever being in lylo in that case LOL)

sound stupid? yeah it was stupid in retrospect. im bad. but im actually surviving to lylo and i feel like ~this~ is where i most shine, at least i did on epicmafia in chat mafia. where the pool is small enough where i can use all the previous info and figure it out.

if anyone has any questions on my actions throughout d1-d3 feel free to ask.
I think my "obv town" actions really do outweigh whatever can be portrayed as scummy is.

now this does NOT mean im not going to fight my own hanging tooth and nail when it comes down to it.

[DkKoba]

I just wke up and i close and then open tomorrow morning work wise but I WILL give this game my all if possible. I have not read anything yet just wanteed to put that post i drafted out there.

[DkKoba]

ah. vp was scum liike i suspected when they didn't die earlier and they were caught vistiing dead.

how unfotunate. I will just let time pass by and let them either unvote or see if it just gets straight blitzed and we can end our suffering. declaring intent to vote VP in 24 hours

[VP Baltar]

I just wke up and i close and then open tomorrow morning work wise but I WILL give this game my all if possible. I have not read anything yet just wanteed to put that post i drafted out there.

This doesn't seem fake at all

[DkKoba]

koba

i don't care which allignment you happen to be but

if you are town

you are now following my lead

roger that?

thats fair i can't complain there.

and Datisi flipped VT??

wtf is this game.

and yeah my reads do tend to be complete wack when there's assumptions that are false. and thats something i sensed and the arguments to get testa WERE valid and i felt confident. i say this as someone who can effectively read for PR.

[Andresvmb]

I agree that Scum could have decided to keep you alive for the WIFOM. It’s possible. But it is also mighty convenient.

Listen if you’re still peddling the notion that Ico or I could be Scum, then I don’t know what to tell you. Alduskkel

is

Scum. It’s obvious. Testa never comes up as an alternative otherwise.

If you're peddling that you're more town then me, you're wrong. We're not yeeting off a confirmed guilty in Xylo. EVER.

Objective confirmed towniness goes: hellbrooks>VP>Ico>>>>>>everyone else

I’m not convinced that you’re more Town than I am for anybody paying attention. Again it’s entirely mechanical, because you *again* sided with Scum in eliminating Town, even after Datisi was clear in what they wanted to see happen, and I kept making the point of how the wagon was forming. And seriously, why should I ignore my gut just because you conveniently come out with a guilty in ELo?

I just knew we would be here and it’s annoying, because all we had to do to completely avoid this was eliminate Aldus.

[DkKoba]

and yeah lets isolate 1 thing. if you think scum!koba ever makes an in-optimal kill where we kill outside of conf investigative that's horseshit. i come from a site where i play many open setups where if you don't make your kills a certain way you get put into a situation where you are nearly in autoloss and that's NEVER a good idea, and I have learned my lesson wrt mechanics of doing suboptimal plays over the course of >500 mech based competiitve setups on epicmafia. if you choose to believe this meta I can psudeoclear. or at the very least you have to believe im doing a gambit with vp baltar. in which case vp is scum in both cases.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Of course scum koba will say Baltar is scum.

[Andresvmb]

Of course scum koba will say Baltar is scum.

If anybody pays any attention to anything NPOM says I will immediately tag them as Scum. It’s complete WIFOM and should be ignored.

[VP Baltar]

And seriously, why should I ignore my gut just because you conveniently come out with a guilty in ELo?

Stop being egotistical. Your gut is not better than my proven PT cop ability, nor are you more town than me just because you weren't on the testa wagon.

I have a confirmed guilty. I'd have to be a mind reader as scum to get to this position faking it. Koba is the elimination.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not WIFOM. Common sense.

[DkKoba]

I think with the revelation that :

a) testa was town

b) vp is conf scum(to me)


andres

aldu
npom


i am going to have questiosn for everyone later to answer that i think that should have been asked way before instead of me just trying to weakly argue without getting proof of anything.