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[DkKoba]

HOLY FUCK andres i swear u are playing with fire.

[Andresvmb]

CONFIRMED GUILTY

If you don't believe it, then flip me and lose this game. I really cannot even deal with people not getting how simple this is. You either think I'm scum or I have a guilty. The cross votes prove it.

This is only a certainty from your POV. No one else’s. It’s kind of sad that you can’t even acknowledge that this is a fact.

[Andresvmb]

UNVOTE:

I’m made myself abundantly clear. I’ll let others chime in here.

[Andresvmb]

^I’ve*

[Andresvmb]

My vote for Aldus was sitting out there for an hour and a half though. Don’t the Scum just hammer if I’m wrong?

[DkKoba]

well u had ico, vp , and npom post during that time so i believe so i'd say its pretty confirmed

[Andresvmb]

This isn’t really that complicated. And it’s strategically sound. Just think about it. If VPB is Town, he dies. Guaranteed. No sensible Scum let’s the Team be exposed so easily at that stage. Pure common sense indicates that the Scum would sacrifice DkKoba here no questions asked and take their chances with 3 players left and most of the Confirmed players dead. If VPB is Scum, he lives until tomorrow. This is also a near certainty. And you STILL have to decide amongst the group of players that’s left because we actually have a Confirmed Town in Hellbooks. The situation doesn’t change at all between today and tomorrow, you just have more Town players to discuss it with.

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:

I’m made myself abundantly clear. I’ll let others chime in here.

Dude, if you're town, stop just fucking voting willy nilly. One wrong vote and this get could be over if scum are online. Jesus.

[DkKoba]

This isn’t really that complicated. And it’s strategically sound. Just think about it. If VPB is Town, he dies. Guaranteed. No sensible Scum let’s the Team be exposed so easily at that stage. Pure common sense indicates that the Scum would sacrifice DkKoba here no questions asked and take their chances with 3 players left and most of the Confirmed players dead. If VPB is Scum, he lives until tomorrow. This is also a near certainty. And you STILL have to decide amongst the group of players that’s left because we actually have a Confirmed Town in Hellbooks. The situation doesn’t change at all between today and tomorrow, you just have more Town players to discuss it with.

I would argue that vp is already scum based on this logic but I'll play along and say that its 1000% certainty that vp is scum when he doesnt die tonight if u hang outside.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah but the point is that if we flip correctly between you and VPB right, then the person we didn’t flip dies (or Hellbooks dies) because they are Confirmed Town, and at least tomorrow you are left in the exact same situation where you have to choose in the pool of Ico/NPOM/Aldus/Me. Like this decision doesn’t all of a sudden disappear if we choose correctly between you and VPB. So we can avoid the choice with slightly worse odds, and choose correctly between the pool. And if we do, we actually give ourselves a very good shot at winning this thing.

[Andresvmb]

@Ico Aldus is practically always Scum here unless you think I’m Scum that left my vote out there for a long time. Why are you not confident about voting there?

[Andresvmb]

UNVOTE:

I’m made myself abundantly clear. I’ll let others chime in here.

Dude, if you're town, stop just fucking voting willy nilly. One wrong vote and this get could be over if scum are online. Jesus.

Both votes are identical in impact today. I’m gambling the game on Ico being Town. And if that’s the choice, then either NPOM or Aldus are correct executions and they are both identical as choices outside of what my read might be. And this isn’t going to change. Ico probably has a stronger feeling that NPOM is Scum over Aldus. Well, guess what, I’m fine with that. This isn’t voting willy nilly. It’s just the obvious conclusion from where I sit. And the good thing is that I can’t screw it up.

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:

I’m made myself abundantly clear. I’ll let others chime in here.

Dude, if you're town, stop just fucking voting willy nilly. One wrong vote and this get could be over if scum are online. Jesus.

Both votes are identical in impact today. I’m gambling the game on Ico being Town. And if that’s the choice, then either NPOM or Aldus are correct executions and they are both identical as choices outside of what my read might be. And this isn’t going to change. Ico probably has a stronger feeling that NPOM is Scum over Aldus. Well, guess what, I’m fine with that. This isn’t voting willy nilly. It’s just the obvious conclusion from where I sit. And the good thing is that I can’t screw it up.

I'm not even saying I disagree with you necessarily, but you do understand if you happen to be wrong, we lose. It's not worth gambling the whole game, imo.

Let hellbrooks and Ico say their piece and vote. Then you can vote wherever. I'm not really trying to butt heads with you today, because I do think you're town. I just don't think we need reckless behavior

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Alduskkel

With Ico signaling that they prefer NPOM, that means that I can literally never go wrong with this vote.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah but now I don’t even have to guess on Ico’s alignment. This is 100% correct. Either that or I’m Scum, and why in the hell do I even care to explain all of this as Scum. I don’t bus my teammate outside of the 50/50 here ever agreed?

[Andresvmb]

If VPB is Town and I know this as Scum, I bus my teammate with a lot of flair, have my Team kill VPB, and take my chances in a smaller game. You all know this.

[VP Baltar]

I don’t bus my teammate outside of the 50/50 here ever agreed?

I think that would be unlikely yes.

I still think it makes the most sense to eliminate someone I KNOW is scum. I don't think you honestly believe I'm scum here, even though I understand having legit suspicion on me being alive. That was literally the scum's intent.

I'm a bird in hand type person. Flip Koba, flip Aldus, see where PoE puts us. That's the optimal strategy

[Andresvmb]

I’ve made up my mind on the optimal decision today. I’m sticking to Aldus here. I will know with more certainty how your check plays out tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

There's tons of WIFOM here though with your vote. I can't go over again and again why 1) my role has been confirmed 2) it makes no sense balance wise for scum to have a PT cop and a rolecop.

There is literally no world where that is a logical setup. I know you said you know nothing about setup balance, but clearly Datisi, Ico and I do.

Anyhow, you do you.

[Andresvmb]

There isn’t a whole lot of WIFOM. It’s the same thing as your guilty. Now I practically have a guilty myself. If the vote continues to sit out for a while, then my situation approaches yours. Except, the odds of winning the game improve quite a bit by correctly deciding between me and Aldus. And I challenge you to find another situation where someone in my position would publicly confirm themselves as Scum only to delay the death of a Partner.

[hellbooks]

Of course scum koba will say Baltar is scum.

If anybody pays any attention to anything NPOM says I will immediately tag them as Scum. It’s complete WIFOM and should be ignored.

haha

[hellbooks]

koba what's your explanation for why VP had a false positive on me D3

[hellbooks]

i know i played very poorly, but what are ur thoughts.

i prolly played worse than u did. also yes im reading ur points

[hellbooks]

@Hellbooks @Iconeum let me know if you are willing to do this. I think the upside is fairly evident. And I don’t see how we have all that much to lose at this stage.

i won't rule it out but yeah i'm like gonna conftown u lol

[hellbooks]

[jk no i wont.. just keeping u on ur toes]