FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Alter Ego]

VOTE: Caster

Because not attempting to get this one thing that is a benefit to town regardless of what townie has it is the same as not playing at all.

What's your basis for townreading Caster?

[Servant Lancer]

I don't get why you wouldn't want to make sure town gets it instead of scum.

[Servant Ruler]

VOTE: Caster

Because not attempting to get this one thing that is a benefit to town regardless of what townie has it is the same as not playing at all.

What's your basis for townreading Caster?

I don't, I misvoted. The shade post explanation isn't really warranted, those 14 pages aren't going to make or break the game for anyone.

I don't get why you wouldn't want to make sure town gets it instead of scum.

There are other townies that aren't me and I don't do well as an IC where players interactions with me are skewed. I trust in my ability to townhunt so I'll be using that instead of going full Finding Nemo Seagull.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

While gunning for the master might seem cooler, a measured approach is apt for a ruler.

[Servant Alter Ego]

While gunning for the master might seem cooler, a measured approach is apt for a ruler.

I get the sense of an implicit townread from this post. Is that correct?

[Servant Caster]

As opposed to the 45 potential pages of this phase that I'll be present for.

That molehill looks mighty tall.

Did I seem tremendously upset?

[Servant Caster]

You seem awfully interested in picking a fight with me for some reason.

[Servant Rider]

No, refusing to comment on the last 15 pages is not playing at all.

Why does this bother you coming from Ruler and not Shielder?

[Servant Caster]

His position that getting the master is impossible for him is ridiculous, and 371 is a misrep. I'd like Shielder to give us thoughts on the game to this point too, but at least they had a plausible reason for not feeling equipped to do so.

[Servant Alter Ego]

I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.

Has their game input since this post helped you with this? I'm still struggling to read them. Their associative scumread of me/archer still baffles me, partly because they haven't elaborated or brought it back up. I was hoping to get something readable off additional data about why they think I'm scum.

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A few of my reads are heading more scumward due to lack of meaningful activity.

[Servant Alter Ego]

Ohhh. I just noticed the meter and rhyming in Moon Cancer's posts. The unnatural phrasing is also gonna throw me off.

@Moon Cancer do you have a post restriction/requirement?

[Servant Rider]

Maybe I'm misreading, but I interpreted Ruler's stance as "I'm not bothering with the master thing and I'll be caught up in a day or so" instead of "fuck it I'm not playing". Shielder, on the other hand, DID read all 15 pages and still had nothing of value to add. I'm not for a moment having any of the whole "man reads are so hard without meta" malarkey when a) It was well established before play started that this is an anon game and b) There are plenty of examples of anon games out there to read to test the waters without jumping into one. I believe FakeGod just ran a large theme anon game, for example.

Also,

That's fair. I'm developing a townread on you as well, if that helps, and maybe Assassin. Archer may have degraded a bit since he started quote striping, but this is a popular opinion now. I probably should have more reasons for stuff but I am not fully assembled at the current moment.

Have you assembled yourself yet? I'm not particularly interested in a reads list, but I would very much like if you could pick a read and explain it. Any read.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

You could call it a restriction though it is self-imposed, but I'd planned on giving it up even before it was exposed. It's too much effort in considering how my posts are composed so I was thinking it should just be disposed... of.

[Servant Alter Ego]

You could call it a restriction though it is self-imposed, but I'd planned on giving it up even before it was exposed. It's too much effort in considering how my posts are composed so I was thinking it should just be disposed... of.

I am really happy to read this. I'm 100%* sure Cabd wouldn't put a post restriction in this game due to discussions of game design we've had. I wasn't looking forward to the cognitive load of sorting out alignment likelihood around faking a posting restriction on top of everything else.

* well 99.9999% because Cabd does love a good troll

[Servant Caster]

I can try to explain a read later. I'll just be going back and turning more or less gut opinions into something a more analytically minded player might be able to grok, though, and so it probably won't be very AI.

[Servant Alter Ego]

Gentlebeings, we need 10 more posts to give Cabd the pagetop he so needs for his votecount due in 10 minutes.

I think we can do it! We might even be able to make the posts with content!

Rider, to what extent do you think animosities and pushes so far are driven by a burning desire to get the master upgrade? Do the campaigns look mostly town to you? Does anything stand out as not like the others?

[Cabd]

Vote Count M-4

Avenger (3): Avenger, Lancer, Beast
Assassin (2): Archer, Foreigner
Caster (2): Saber, Rider
Foreigner (1): Caster
Berserker (1): Ruler

Phase Page Count: 16/60

With 14 servants alive, it takes 8 votes to lock in a master. Otherwise, a master will be selected by plurality rules in: (expired on 2020-09-07 21:23:37)

[Servant Avenger]

I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.

Has their game input since this post helped you with this? I'm still struggling to read them. Their associative scumread of me/archer still baffles me, partly because they haven't elaborated or brought it back up. I was hoping to get something readable off additional data about why they think I'm scum.

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A few of my reads are heading more scumward due to lack of meaningful activity.

A lot of my read on alien is set up spec. @rider, @alterego, has there ever been or would Cabd ever place a mechanic in a game where voting someone that was town could confer a benefit to town with a combined ability? Is there a history of that on this site? Votes should be fairly negative in nature.

Without set up spec, the only thing I have is a lot of hints at internal narrative, such as pming cabd to ask about role stuff to break the game etc. but I used to do that all the time as scum where’d I’d bread crumb these little hints that I’m doing stuff ~behind the scenes~

On that 30 minute walk I mentioned I almost decided to declare moon cancer scum when I got back, but decided that it didn’t quite fit. I’m still considering whether I want to run him up or not and see if it’s plausible next day phase.

[Servant Alter Ego]

I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.

Has their game input since this post helped you with this? I'm still struggling to read them. Their associative scumread of me/archer still baffles me, partly because they haven't elaborated or brought it back up. I was hoping to get something readable off additional data about why they think I'm scum.

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A few of my reads are heading more scumward due to lack of meaningful activity.

A lot of my read on alien is set up spec. @rider, @alterego, has there ever been or would Cabd ever place a mechanic in a game where voting someone that was town could confer a benefit to town with a combined ability? Is there a history of that on this site? Votes should be fairly negative in nature.

Without set up spec, the only thing I have is a lot of hints at internal narrative, such as pming cabd to ask about role stuff to break the game etc. but I used to do that all the time as scum where’d I’d bread crumb these little hints that I’m doing stuff ~behind the scenes~

On that 30 minute walk I mentioned I almost decided to declare moon cancer scum when I got back, but decided that it didn’t quite fit. I’m still considering whether I want to run him up or not and see if it’s plausible next day phase.

I'm not sure what you mean by combined ability. I have seen a few roles at MS where voting a town player did confer a town benefit, though. One role that showed up in at least a couple not-Cabd games was a Treestumper who would stump a town player if they were the hammer vote.

Obviously, votes on Vengefuls and Supersaints can potentially benefit town, too, but I don't think that's the kind of role you have in mind.

Explain a little more about conferring a benefit to town with a combined ability, and I'll look at some Cabd games tonight to job my memory.

[Servant Rider]

I've never seen Cabd do anything like that. I've seen him do things with hated modifiers, loved modifiers, extra votes and what have you but never anything where "if you vote person X (or a person with an attribute, trait, etc.) you get a power". Doesn't really fit the Fate lore either; there exist servants who can buff or otherwise empower other servants, but none of them explicitly do so by being attacked. Which is what I'd assume a vote means in the context of a game of Mafia.

I don't think what you're suggesting is a thing. Not here, anyways.

[Cabd]

In response to a question I received privately, the reviewers of this setup have been added to the first post of this thread.

[Servant Archer]

Alright here we go.

Spoiler:

I don’t know if you’re scum. It’s like a reverse OMGUS, normally I would suspect you for voting me, here’s it’s the exact opposite.

Umm. How serious are you about this?

Developing scumreads is not where my focus is atm. Like I said, by nature I approach games via Townread/POE. I think my POE is pretty clear in my list.

Yeah that's fine. Do your thing tbh.

I don't really think that someone simply not wanting Master status should warrant not giving it to them, but if there are other gameplay factors to consider, then that changes things.

Yeah, I heard somewhere that the best leaders are the ones who don't really want to lead. What do you mean by "other gameplay factors"?

To me, all three of you said a lot of things that could've been left out without much/any content loss and unnecessarily inflated the thread "volume" as a result. In your case in particular, quote stripes also make my eyes glaze over and are a reasonable tactic for instilling a lack of desire to read and re-read the thread

I will try to cut down on the fluff if you'd want which should resolve the problem of quote striping. Also, it's not like I'm posting super dense paragraphs. I'm just picking some quotes that I want to talk about; it shouldn't be that hard to read imo. Honestly, these are a little hard for me to write, but I think it's the best thing to do.

#77 is wrong about Cabd and the loophole. Cabd has already left a loophole. None of us were given any reason to think the master-making ability was shared. I didn't assume I was the most powerful role in the game, but I absolutely did not expect it to be shared.

Wait this is sort of a good point. However, I also feel like that's a way for town to gain a massive, immediate advantage? I feel like the mod probably provided fakeclaims, and that scum had a similar power like what Avenger was saying in 77. If scum were provided fakeclaims, I can certainly see them rushing straight out of the gate with this supposed "town-specific" trait which doesn't help with my read on Berserker.

Have you never heard of a fakeclaim?

Yeah.

Even if he changed that, scum have to work out that it's shared and not an individual power and race to capitalize on the clear from it.

Oh this is also true. I wonder how the rest of you feel about this. Bye!

Scum could have figured it out with no help from the mod.

Think about how getting elected would seal their fate, then think about how they'd expect it to propagate.

Yeah, I was also thinking this because scum probably have some ability that is similar to our ability that triggers after master. Also, can you explain your read on me more, and also how I look like scum with Alter Ego?

I asked Cabd one question and figured it out. Scum probably did too if they weren't dicking about.

I'm on Moon Cancer's side here. If they asked for a fakeclaim, and noticed that ability and combined it with their own potential ability, it's quite easy to make the connection.

What's your point?

I found it blatantly hypocritical that Avenger was shading me for apparently wanting the vote while he legit has been the most vocal about that. I am fine with being master, but my upgrade doesn't seem to be super strong. I think I could lead the town though.

So what's scum!Caster's motivation for voting town!Foreigner and feeling urgent about it?

I don't know. The tone in that quote just felt really weird because it seemed to me like Caster was making it feel like a hard, rushed decision when it really wasn't.

I kind of just want to have fun this game

Ya same. Role madness is cool.

Do you actively scumread him or do you just not have him as a townread, Assassin? If the former, elaborate please?

Why only the former? You're townread Caster and Assassin doesn't, so wouldn't you want him to explain either way?

I thought there was an inconsistency regarding Archer's take on the basis for Avenger's townread of Foreigner.

Can you explain this please? For the record, I found it weird how Avenger wanted me to townread Foreigner based on interaction with Berserker, but then cited reasons outside of that to support his own TR.

For example, they point at me and say I could be town because... unseen progression?

What is wrong with this? I find it townie when people change their mind in one post and don't really explain it. I think it seemed genuine in your case.

They've also done a lot of promising for rereads and revisits and what have you and I've seen no results from that so far either. And not just about the 1v1.

No?

Archer may have degraded a bit since he started quote striping

Hmm.

A lot of people don’t want a master it seems. I get that. I want a master though. What could I do to earn your vote? I don’t want to be too forceful here. But I also can’t really trust anybody else with it.

Thoughts on Avenger people? Overall, I feel like Avenger has been very upfront on wanting the vote, but I don't really remember anything townie he's done in particular. I still think he could be a good town leader though.

In a less mechanically complex game, that would probably be a lot less of a problem.

What do you mean by this? This is dayplay.

Not a big fan of Avenger practically babysitting Shielder in 331 by literally just reiterating setup information. The rest is fine.

But wouldn’t it be pretty forced of me to start behaving in a certain way just to gain votes?

bruh

I do like Avenger's 343 though. I think the hesitancy in both cases isn't really hedging, but more of town uncertainty. I do think Assassin is solid town though. Says what he thinks, and what he thinks is townie to me. Keep this up and maybe you'll get my vote

I might actually have to bite the bullet and take notes this game. I underestimated how much I relied on avatars/names/personality quirks in telling players apart and playing intuitively like I like to.

Sorta unnecessary to say out loud ngl. Whatever works for you though.

note this: your scum

Avenger, this is your competition. Better step it up.

Unless Alter Ego was getting some sort of pushback for treating Moon Cancer as town, this isn't something I see scum allowing to make it to the thread.

No, I can easily see scum faking a townread on someone for reasons like that and then retracting it. First, it makes them look better. Second, it makes them not obligated to townread someone. Not calling AE scum, but I don't think this is great reason for townread.

That he was sorting at all.

but then what did he say that was notable, what stood out to you exactly, what differentiated him from anyone else with early game reads

Good question by Assassin.
Overall, I like Assassin more than Lancer here, but that doesn't mean Lancer is scum. Hopefully, I'll be able to do more real time stuff soon.

That's not really relevant to my position which I acknowledge. I'd be campaigning against an inevitability. Any town getting the master serves my wincon all the same.

I'm not a fan of this lazy play, but that would be hypocritical. Just be helpful in the future because this is not really a good first look for you.

What's your basis for townreading Caster?

Did you read the thread before you asked this?

Rider, to what extent do you think animosities and pushes so far are driven by a burning desire to get the master upgrade? Do the campaigns look mostly town to you? Does anything stand out as not like the others?

I'm not rider, but the only person who is really campaigning seems to be Avenger? Who else are you thinking of?

[Servant Assassin]

not really a fan of that post

[Servant Alter Ego]

Can you explain this please? For the record, I found it weird how Avenger wanted me to townread Foreigner based on interaction with Berserker, but then cited reasons outside of that to support his own TR.

This is what I was thinking: Reasons to townread Foreigner multiplied quickly IMO. Avenger said they wanted you to read the 1v1 and pointed out Foreigner came out of it looking town. You said you didn't want to read it, then said something about my post on the interaction making you want to have a look, and shortly after that posted that yeah, you tried and no, you didn't want to read it. In arguing town-Foreigner with someone who refused to read that interaction, they used data that was in parts of the thread you presumably did read. Given that at least part of the point was to argue that Foreigner is town, why wouldn't they use data that you'd be familiar with rather than the data you didn't want to look at?

That's what I saw as inconsistent. You demurred reading the part they wanted you to read, wanted them to explain their read (which I took as you wanting them to convince you they had good reason for thinking Foreigner's town) and then gigged them for using the data that should have been familiar to you instead of data you'd refused at least twice to look at.

Did you read the thread before you asked this?

I did read it, but my brain glitched a little bit because I spent part of this afternoon reading a game that I vaguely recalled had buffs that could benefit the sole recipient, and was conferred by vote. I wanted to look at how that mechanic shaped the way people played. From my read-through, those players didn't know for sure what their buff would be and there wasn't any double day type mechanic or scary publicized power-up of the scum team. The players in that game who campaigned were all town. The luck of the draw in terms of who was town vs scum probably factored into scum not going hard after it.

The reason my brain glitched was because the buff vote and elim vote were going on simultaneously on day 1 in that game, and the buff vote used hurt tags.

I sorted myself out, but probably would have probed in some manner to nail down for sure what the vote meant.

I'm not rider, but the only person who is really campaigning seems to be Avenger? Who else are you thinking of?

Assassin and Berserker. I haven't directly interacted with Berserker about the master upgrade. To my mind each has taken a different approach to winning that prize. Maybe they're all three town. I'm not scumreading them.

However.

I feel like this town may not be as lucky in having a hesitant scum team. The scum prize looks valuable, especially for a strong scum team.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I spent 30 minutes on my walk thinking about you

I think you're swell too, Avenger.