Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[Mundivore]

Well, not so much fishing to see if there's a jailkeeper so much as fishing in general. Obv scum is obv.

[PlusJOYED]

A town pr verifying me and damning shelly, will save us from eliming a townie here, which is the current trajectory. And if a pr counterclaims me and sides with shelly, when I flip green the game will be solved. Or vice versa.

Let's say you are town. You're trying to do what, get the Town Jailkeeper to claim? Sure, that stops us from eliminating town, but now the town have no real power roles. Scum kill the Jailkeeper and your power role does nothing since you confirm yourself town. I'd rather sacrifice the TFN to prove that shelly is scum than sacrifice the Jailkeeper to prove it.

Or maybe you're trying to get the Town Tracker to claim? That's the only other option, but it's a stupid option because Tracker/TFN and Tracker/Doctor are

both valid.

And even then, a tracker is

still better

than a TFN who has already confirmed themselves town.

Besides, it's such incredibly cocky scumplay to sacrifice a scum in order to kill a TFN in a game with a tracker or a jailkeeper lurking about. They'd be exposing themselves to

one

bad night being enough to end the game for them. No way shelly is fake-claiming here. And if she

is

then it's a misplay and we take those.

Fair enough. But if the jailkeeper claims and shelly flips red I become confirmed and I don't want tracker to claim here. I'll take the miselim on me if you all promise to get shelly tomorrow. That's still good for town. I just want to get the maximum value out of this situation for town sake.

And, personally, I have a habbit of dying day 1 and I want to survive longer.

[Noraa]

Wait hold up I'm not completely getting why you flipping green would mean shelly must be red...bc a bunch of people think ur obvscum would that make them all flip red?

[Mundivore]

Hold up, let's review this from scum position.

Scum know which column of D3 it is from the getgo. Knowing that, JOYED fakeclaims as TFN because it occurs in 2/3s of the games they could be in.

shelly CC's as doctor.

Now scum knows 100% which type of game they're in.

They know that the last PR is a tracker. That's why JOYED isn't saying a logical town thing ('if there's a Jailkeeper they can CC and prove me townie') and instead is saying that if there's a jailkeeper

or

a tracker then they can claim to prove that he's town. Because Plus is scum, plus knows there's a tracker, and so Plus is fishing for tracker.

Worst case scenario is that you fakeclaimed as TFN when you're really VT. And if that's the case, that's bad play and it's on you to die for it.

@Noraa

Because shelly claimed doctor. If we kill Plus and he's TFN, then there are no game types in the format which allow for both a Doctor and a TFN. (It's a pretty hard to beat combination: TFN claims Day 1, gets doctor protection the whole game while handing out proof-of-town receipts to anyone who doubts).

[Mundivore]

Check post 2 for a list of all possible games we could be in. This is why we know that either shelly or Plus is scum, and the other isn't.

[Frogsterking]

I'm still not reading PLUS as scum.

[Frogsterking]

Or shelly.

[Frogsterking]

A town pr verifying me and damning shelly, will save us from eliming a townie here, which is the current trajectory. And if a pr counterclaims me and sides with shelly, when I flip green the game will be solved. Or vice versa.

This is all kinds of wrong.

[EchoVision]

PlusJoy please claim because you're at E-1

the survivalistic mindset is so scummy upon rereading, our wincon is to kick all the scum NOT stay alive

why the fuck would you do that

[EchoVision]

Fuck.
I am the town friendly neighbor.

why the fuck would YOU do that

[Noraa]

huh ig so but if plus could be a vt lying, then why can't shelly? I mean in my last marathon game, I claimed 3p and got eliminated day 2 even tho I was town cop Yeah yeah ikik stupid decision on my part but I feel like its possible bc shelly and plus both give me townie vibes. ik y'all think this is a stupid suggestion but I'm still low-key thinking it might be TvT cuz I tr both of them >:(

[Frogsterking]

Okay I'm going to have to reread a bunch of this when I get back.

PLUS is not a VT lying. They are scum or TFN.

[EchoVision]

Guys plusjoy outed scum here

I’m the doctor and doctor is impossible to be paired with a TFN

Hammer this right now

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD
WHAT
WHY
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT
IT'S DAY 1
WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM SUCH AN IMPORTANT PR
WHY THE FUCK
WHAT
WHY
WHAT

[Noraa]

OMG OMG Frog and Echo r hear ok time to turn on my ears and listen. Also poor echo he specifically said he didn't want this to happen

[Noraa]

Guys plusjoy outed scum here

I’m the doctor and doctor is impossible to be paired with a TFN

Hammer this right now

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD
WHAT
WHY
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT
IT'S DAY 1
WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM SUCH AN IMPORTANT PR
WHY THE FUCK
WHAT
WHY
WHAT

yeah I agree ... not the smartest choice

[EchoVision]

I don't agree. Noobs have no fucking idea what they are doing.

fucking preach jesus monkeys
that was one of the worst interactions i've ever seen
why
just why

[Frogsterking]

Okay I realized we have counter claims now and between PLUS and shelly PLUS definitely has the worst claim.

[Noraa]

Ig interactions like this are why this game is called a newbie game...

[Frogsterking]

I'm going to grab some food I'll be back soon.

[Noraa]

*patiently waits for echo's opinion*
dude its gonna be a huge ass paragraph isn't it?

[Frogsterking]

I'm actually tempted to hammer PLUS right now for having by far a worse claim + attempting to fish out the 2nd pr.

[EchoVision]

Fuck.
I am the town friendly neighbor.

dude next game don't claim TFN as scum

I'm YOUR TOWN DOCTOR EVERYONE

no this isn't on him, this is on you
why would you request a claim from someone that you can't hammer
why would you request a claim from someone that I TOLD EVERYONE NOT TO HAMMER
why would you request a claim from someone when there's TWO SLOTS BEING REPLACED
WHY

on top of that;
why would you counterclaim as such an important PR on DAY 1 when there's so many things that tell you not to
i just don't understand

why wouldn't you just wait for n1 and when nobody says "i received a PM saying that he was town" then we rock that shit
why would you claim doc
even if it's false
why

UNVOTE:
i fully intend to vote for shelly after this shit show went down

[Redados]

Hi guys. I am a 100% caught up as of right now. Can you hold off on hammering until I can dump all of my thoughts I've been compiling? But holy crap these last two pages. Holy crap. Give me like an hour to dump a bunch of posts in chronological order.

[Frogsterking]

And fear that, based on how some other play has gone in this game, the 2nd pr might actually out.

[Noraa]

an hour? dude u can expect no one to post in an hour...