Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[redtea]

shit i learned a long time ago then forgot how to do it and now I get it wrong half the time
sorry bout that

[Tayl0r Swift]

the fuck
#419

heh that was my reaction too

[redtea]

lol @ elements walkin in like he never left

my first thought upon reading this post was "alright, now to try and emulate my town self that Prism is recognizing so i can keep getting townread."
Undertale S ruined me.

Rlly Hectic?
This is so slimy. It's like a hagfish after tying itself in a knot.
It's autological and I don't like it.

Okay, I wasn't going to give my 2 cents on this but looks like I will
The first line: easily faked.
The second line: very natural addition.
Conclusion: NAI.

190 shows him making some kind of reads. the logic on prism is fairly iffy, though. 302 is a read of some kind. 311 pressuring pooky is reasonable? like I had been thinking similarly, he just said it before me. 316 as the explanation for the vote-flip makes sense? little moment of indecisiveness that is maybe townie. Yeah, I kind of crapped out that read, it's not as strong as I thought but it at least shows an attempt?

too sloppy to remember to include post links, edit by way of post

Two of those are from after the og post but eh yeah
I do like the fact that he's been more involved recently but I dont tr him that's for sure.

you stole my post about Elements, which is that he's made a good amount of posts you can't get shit from sorry @Chara

[redtea]

sorry taylor that wasn't a reaction to his post it was a reaction to my goofs

Tanner is the kind of easily likeable guy I let slip by too easily and is making things hard rn honestly

Lavender, I'm gonna give you an easy one to start with. If you could bump off one person right now who would it be. Not saying you have to stick with it, or that it has to be a hard sr, but gun to your head who would it be and why.

[redtea]

actually
wanna share what you have against 419 taylor

[catboi]

Kinda don't want to fully catch up or look at MT's reads until I'm finished on my own to not taint my own assessment.

redtea:

I like the point he makes in 183 about mafia leaving mech discussions open-ended. Does it actually say anything about his alignment? Maybe not. Misunderstands Hectic in 266 but I think the way he's trying to correct a point he thinks Hectic made doesn't feel malicious. Idk if that makes any sense. I do like that he questioned me on Hectic in 382 rather than just letting that sit. 384 just reminds me a ton of our last game, where he was arguing a counter to LHF pushes, and is just laying out an analysis here the feels very sound? I'm not even sure that I suspect hectic, I just like the way redtea is making his points here. Also 398 made me laugh.

puppy:

39 actually kind of pinged me hard when he made it? Just this big pile of setup questions out in the open to start things off, that triggered my gut along with the early snap townread of Tanner in 48 for a post I didn't feel was particularly telling. Tone of 62 actually kind of funny/good, though? Light assessment. I don't really like 139 though. The comment of "good vibes" from pooky just is way weird and I don't care for him asserting he's town this way. Main suspicion just sheeping onto Chara's Elements vote in 155/161 besides that doesn't have much else. Response to Hectic's questioning in 213 reads a tad overdefensive? Really very buddy-buddy in 234. I definitely do not townread CLAP. In fact the ISO mostly recharged my early gut-level suspicion.

pooky:

Fuck if I know. 387 bothers me a little because, like, if hectic is good as scum how does following the spare route actually help? His whole game here of just trying to push toward the spare route while offering nothing else is certainly suspect.

Prism and Chara are probably going to be harder to read. Should try to reassess hectic as well although he hasn't said much new since I last read him Have kind of, thoughts on how I want to proceed but want to try to get a big-picture view of the game in which is something I haven't done in a loooong time

[Lavender]

Here’s a line I always say: Ask me any questions and I’ll answer ^_−☆

what's your opinion on the 17 pages that have happened so far?

They're mostly talking about the optimal way to win this game right?
I think it's just fine, it gives a better understanding of the game, somewhat at least.
The chances of messing up because of mechanics is lowered in my opinion because of them.

Pooky, I just think Pooky is being Pooky. I do think it sounds like a fun idea though. (*≧▽≦)

Lavender, I'm gonna give you an easy one to start with. If you could bump off one person right now who would it be. Not saying you have to stick with it, or that it has to be a hard sr, but gun to your head who would it be and why.

Mmmmmm, Taylor?
Because of this post,

7 pages of mech talk. 7 pages is nothing. and i have a hurt vote on record too. but ill participate properly when you all decide what strategy we should do. im very much of the opinion that mech talk and EVs are pretty much NAI and using them to justify strategy is gonna let scum persuade us to do what they want more often than not. it seems to me that a fight day 1 and then sparing later days is a good idea, but i really havent thought about it that much

I wouldn't say mech talk is nothing, and saying it is doesn't sound real townie to me. (>_<)


Oh, I forgot to HURT: Nahdia

[Morning Tweet]

Now i'm really interested in Puppy cause I liked him super early and then stopped writing notes on him other than general town toning or smth. Maybe im wrong on that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky:
Fuck if I know. 387 bothers me a little because, like, if hectic is good as scum how does following the spare route actually help? His whole game here of just trying to push toward the spare route while offering nothing else is certainly suspect.

A) when we are scum-hunting - we must hunt down all the scum to win.

B) If we r going for 4 spare-win, we r trying to hit 4 townies with spares.

In one scenario (A) if hectic is scum and we fail to deal with him - we lose.

in scenario (B) if hectic is scum but we hit 4 town-spares -it won't matter that hectic is scum.

[redtea]

huh
i misunderstood hectic
huh

@hectic

do you not give towncredit for catboi's calucations

lowkey I keep imagining prism/catboi sighing every time we bring up this one thing from the beginning of the game they don't even hard tr each other for, I'm so sorry lol

lavender it feels like you aren't really reading the game.
You say you'd fight Taylor but like, the only difference I'm seeing between you two is attitude. You both seem to be "waiting" on something that's already started.

[redtea]

This game feels so disconnected I think puppy was the bridge plz come back

[Tayl0r Swift]

Here’s a line I always say: Ask me any questions and I’ll answer ^_−☆

what's your opinion on the 17 pages that have happened so far?

They're mostly talking about the optimal way to win this game right?
I think it's just fine, it gives a better understanding of the game, somewhat at least.
The chances of messing up because of mechanics is lowered in my opinion because of them.

Pooky, I just think Pooky is being Pooky. I do think it sounds like a fun idea though. (*≧▽≦)

Lavender, I'm gonna give you an easy one to start with. If you could bump off one person right now who would it be. Not saying you have to stick with it, or that it has to be a hard sr, but gun to your head who would it be and why.

Mmmmmm, Taylor?
Because of this post,

7 pages of mech talk. 7 pages is nothing. and i have a hurt vote on record too. but ill participate properly when you all decide what strategy we should do. im very much of the opinion that mech talk and EVs are pretty much NAI and using them to justify strategy is gonna let scum persuade us to do what they want more often than not. it seems to me that a fight day 1 and then sparing later days is a good idea, but i really havent thought about it that much

I wouldn't say mech talk is nothing, and saying it is doesn't sound real townie to me. (>_<)


Oh, I forgot to HURT: Nahdia

hmm the vote doesnt seem to follow,but i guess you mean you forgot to do it last post? speaking of reading comprehension, youre either struggling yourself or misrepping me. i said "7 pages is nothing". you read that as "mech talk is nothing". my point was that 7 pages isnt a lot for me to develop solid reads. usually i start by doing a little townhunting, but i really cant townhunt without actual mafia. mechtalk is rarely town indicative.

[Prism]

Taylor I don't know what game you've been reading. The mech talk has stopped entirely other than Pooky grandstanding.

The amount of reads/content in the last ~9 pages is overwhelming and you need to pay more attention to the game instead of shifting the blame.

[Prism]

I guess that's a little unfair. You're clarifying a point from post 175, not saying it's still mech talk now. Apologies, have been a bit frustrated this game.

[Tayl0r Swift]

and youll note that i have started chipping in a bit, more to come as the game gets going. but to me today is basically the first time i havent been bored out of my mind reading the thread.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Taylor I don't know what game you've been reading. The mech talk has stopped entirely other than Pooky grandstanding.

The amount of reads/content in the last ~9 pages is overwhelming and you need to pay more attention to the game instead of shifting the blame.

ridiculous

my grandstanding has nothing to do with mech

[CantHateAPuppy]

This game feels so disconnected I think puppy was the bridge plz come back

aw thanks, this was sweet! but, who are you?

[CantHateAPuppy]

i read the stuff i missed (actually i skimmed because my mind keeped glazing over, nobody said anything good lol)

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy:

39 actually kind of pinged me hard when he made it? Just this big pile of setup questions out in the open to start things off, that triggered my gut along with the early snap townread of Tanner in 48 for a post I didn't feel was particularly telling. Tone of 62 actually kind of funny/good, though? Light assessment. I don't really like 139 though. The comment of "good vibes" from pooky just is way weird and I don't care for him asserting he's town this way. Main suspicion just sheeping onto Chara's Elements vote in 155/161 besides that doesn't have much else. Response to Hectic's questioning in 213 reads a tad overdefensive? Really very buddy-buddy in 234. I definitely do not townread CLAP. In fact the ISO mostly recharged my early gut-level suspicion.

but i did read this! it's always fun to read gossip about yourself. fyi my elements vote is semi-serious now, it's more than sheeping chara (actually i think she made the point first and technically i voted first?) anyways, i think i have a decent reason for voting elements if you want to hear it (you want to hear it don't you squidward)

[CantHateAPuppy]

@tanner

why are you voting taylor? is it just because she's still talking setup/spare stuff, or because you have some stronger scumread? if you did i couldn't find it

[CantHateAPuppy]

also i was thinking about spares again. i forgot why we gave up on them. i know it's unlikely that we'll spare correctly 4 times in a row, but is the 4 spare ending really that bad? say there's one scum in finale, wouldn't that be pretty good odds with strong town players? or would paranoia + no flips be too much to overcome?

[CantHateAPuppy]

anybody who has more posts than me is, officially, scummy. not trying to call anyone out or anything, but that's right, im officially putting yall on blast, chara / prism / pooky / hectic. (actually i feel pretty mixed about this list, but rules are rules, posting more than the talking puppy is scummy and there's probably one scum in this group tbh)

[catboi]

Prism:

Hectic callout in 221 makes sense, not sure the townread of Prism made a lot of sense, although the vote on him in 284 is...weird? Like he says he's not feeling up to playing and that earns a scumread? Aggression in 289 feels a little unnatural but eh. Evaluation of Chara in 296 is not something I'm sure I understand, but feels like real thoughts. Maybe. 320 over the read makes sense, and I really like 327, just the contrasting of a post from a past game with this one.

re: 341 "Is [Hectic] playing it so safe because he's uncomfortable as scum and struggling to start the game off on the right foot?" doesn't seem to fit with Hectic as scum? At least from the word of other people in this game. But the bit about expecting better reads is fair.

Read on me in 371 still kinda weird to me, the "I hate that he's likely to be town" is an odd thing to say.

Overall summary is that while I can see where Prism's aggro-tunnel on Hectic is coming from, and it looks townish? I think it's well within his range as scum? He's had a fairly narrow focus this game as well which makes me concerned. I want him to be town though. Hopefully he'll give me reason to put him there soon.

Chara:

long ISO where I find a lot less to read off than I'd hoped? I'm severely bad at trusting people this game. The point on elements in 160

is

, at least, a good sort of observation even if I don't think I liked the way puppy latched onto it. 297 is kind of skeevy in tone? I agree with elements on that one. After that, I..don't know? It find myself a bit muddled as to where their thoughts lie and didn't find any posts that screamed out to me as a good take or being really townie? I swear to god I'm not just being lazy, I'm just kind of ??? on Chara

Now to actually catchup on everything since my

last

catchup

[catboi]

puppy:

39 actually kind of pinged me hard when he made it? Just this big pile of setup questions out in the open to start things off, that triggered my gut along with the early snap townread of Tanner in 48 for a post I didn't feel was particularly telling. Tone of 62 actually kind of funny/good, though? Light assessment. I don't really like 139 though. The comment of "good vibes" from pooky just is way weird and I don't care for him asserting he's town this way. Main suspicion just sheeping onto Chara's Elements vote in 155/161 besides that doesn't have much else. Response to Hectic's questioning in 213 reads a tad overdefensive? Really very buddy-buddy in 234. I definitely do not townread CLAP. In fact the ISO mostly recharged my early gut-level suspicion.

but i did read this! it's always fun to read gossip about yourself. fyi my elements vote is semi-serious now, it's more than sheeping chara (actually i think she made the point first and technically i voted first?) anyways, i think i have a decent reason for voting elements if you want to hear it (you want to hear it don't you squidward)

Sure, hit me.

[catboi]

Reading MT's notes and already Lol I'm like way on the opposite end of the fence regarding puppy. But yet...I like what she has going on here? the lack of composition reminds me of how I jot things down without regards to a composed narrative and I think it's got good analysis in there. I would maybe not be as super trusting of some of her townreads as she is, but I like what I see from her and in a game where I'm starved for townreads, I think she's a good one to trust.