Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

Bell · Post Post #2725 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:44 am

In post 2724, tea leaves wrote:I asked you a question, Bell. I'm not going to read through the entire game so I'm bound to miss context. Answering my question with the context I needed while also using it as an opportunity to finally turn on me is pretty scummy though, and makes me feel slightly better about this being correct.

Can you now see clidd being scum?

I answered the question. I’ve answered all your questions.
As for Clidd, not really. This is pretty much omgus and boP you’re going to win a rising star scummy I think.
It will go really well with your Mario avatar I think.

You already said you felt good about my elimination. Saying it again makes your position clear.

tea leaves · Post Post #2726 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:50 am

Hmmmm

Way to make me feel bad if you're town lol

Bell · Post Post #2727 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:51 am

I don’t want you to feel bad.

It you’re town being wrong is pretty normal.

tea leaves · Post Post #2728 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:52 am

The point is, I asked the question because I may have missed context, e.g: I'm still trying to get a view of your alignment.
I'm struggling to understand why that question is the straw that broke the camel's back and got you to vote me.

Bell · Post Post #2729 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:53 am

Because there was a lot of hay and you created these quote blocks that were unnecessary if you genuinely just wanted to know the answer. It’s demonstrative, not for solving purposes.

tea leaves · Post Post #2730 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:57 am

You thinking it's scummy to show what I'm asking about? It's beneficial to both you and everyone else.

Bell · Post Post #2731 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:00 am

I know exactly what you’re asking about. The quote blocks were unnecessary.
You’re out of asking mode and into kill mode and don’t misrepresent your position.

tea leaves · Post Post #2732 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:04 am

Nope, I very rarely leave "solving mode" as a player. Even when I'm confident on a scumread, I still try and solve them so that I can feel even more confident or realise I'm wrong.

Providing the quotes is still beneficial to everyone else viewing the conversation, no?

Bell · Post Post #2733 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:05 am

Not really, given the answer to your question makes the quotes unnecessary.

Bell · Post Post #2734 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:12 am

This conversation feels like it’s more about getting me to unvote you and make sure my point is buried.
Than it is about finding the truth. I don’t particularly think that’s scummy though.

tea leaves · Post Post #2735 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:18 am

If scum!me was worried about you voting me, I wouldn't have been consistently pushing you today while you had me as a top 2 townread lol. I would've happily accepted it and left you alone.

tea leaves · Post Post #2736 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:20 am

In post 1701, Bell wrote:Seriously though, please don't partner me with Ydrasse, it's insulting. If I was scum this game, I would never have been able to pull that off with Ydrasse scum.
At least partner me with someone that makes sense.
Like tealeaves.

In post 1706, Bell wrote:The distancing MT,
I went out of my way to give my partner a hard time when they weren't under suspicion when I came into the game.
It's just something I would ever do, especially when I have no idea how competent they are or how well they would react to me.
It's wifomy, I know, but to me it's pretty obvious that I just don't do that stuff to untested partners.

In post 1708, Bell wrote:It's a pointless gamble and I wish other players wouldn't waste their brain power on it, if you're scum, sure go for it, do your best.
But if you're town it's a waste of bandwidth to consider this weird angle.
I don't know why guiltylion switched from his position day 1 (it makes no sense for me to bus Ydrasse) to proposing a ydrasse/Bell team day two.

The defensiveness from Bell here looks over the top, especially since he wasn't even sure Ydrasse was scum at that point (if was after he reconsidered her). This looks like scum who knows he'll be in trouble if Ydrasse ever flips, and needs to nip this in the bud.

The post about Hobbes pairing them especially is self-conscious, as Hobbes later mentions himself actually.

tea leaves · Post Post #2737 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:21 am

In post 1719, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 1708, Bell wrote:I don't know why guiltylion switched from his position day 1 (it makes no sense for me to bus Ydrasse) to proposing a ydrasse/Bell team day two.
Hey do me a favor and quote the post where I proposed that team?

I'll wait...

this is exactly what I mean by the self-conscious point. me talking myself into a scumread on you does NOT mean I'm trying to pair you with Ydrasse

Bell · Post Post #2738 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:22 am

You weren’t worried about it. As you felt the player list wouldn’t react that way to your votes on them.

Bell · Post Post #2739 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:23 am

This is precisely what I mean, when I say you’re not interested in genuinely engaging with me.
Those quote blocks aren’t for me. They’re for everybody else.

Bell · Post Post #2740 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:24 am

It doesn’t look that way at all.
It isn’t over the top. And have you ever seen anybody do anything remotely like that as scum to their scum partner?

tea leaves · Post Post #2741 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:29 am

You are correct. Those quotes are showing my thoughts on why I believe you to be scum. The game of mafia wouldn't work if I kept those to myself and didn't share them with everyone.

I have seen TMI scumreads from partners on each other, yes.

Bell · Post Post #2742 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:30 am

It’s clear from my posts that I think it beneath me to bus my partners day one when no one is scum reading them.
Or at least I thought it was until you misunderstood it somehow 400 posts ago when I said it was insulting to pair me with ydrasse.

And yes, I was trying to nip that in the bud, because it was silly to me. I believe farren later addressed that point for me which you conveniently left out in regards to 1719.

Bell · Post Post #2743 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:31 am

In post 2741, tea leaves wrote:You are correct. Those quotes are showing my thoughts on why I believe you to be scum. The game of mafia wouldn't work if I kept those to myself and didn't share them with everyone.

I have seen TMI scumreads from partners on each other, yes.

Too much information scum reads? What do you mean?

Bell · Post Post #2744 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:33 am

In post 2741, tea leaves wrote:You are correct. Those quotes are showing my thoughts on why I believe you to be scum. The game of mafia wouldn't work if I kept those to myself and didn't share them with everyone.

I have seen TMI scumreads from partners on each other, yes.

I’m aware that you try to get your scum reads eliminated in mafia.
I simply mean this discussion isn’t in good faith and after denying it you just admitted it.

tea leaves · Post Post #2745 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:34 am

It doesn't have to be one or the other. I can show people why I scumread you and try and get you elimnated, while also continuing to ask you questions and learn about your alignment.

Bell · Post Post #2746 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:35 am

I want to make it clear that this interaction is terrible from my POV.

tea leaves · Post Post #2747 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:36 am

In post 2743, Bell wrote:
In post 2741, tea leaves wrote:You are correct. Those quotes are showing my thoughts on why I believe you to be scum. The game of mafia wouldn't work if I kept those to myself and didn't share them with everyone.

I have seen TMI scumreads from partners on each other, yes.
Too much information scum reads? What do you mean?

Basically when you scumread someone correctly with reasons that don't make sense, or ones only you see because you know they're scum.

It's what it looks like you were doing when you came in scumreading Ydrasse for the narration/pocketing thing.

Bell · Post Post #2748 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:36 am

You’re cribbing from isis.

Bell · Post Post #2749 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:36 am

Cite your sources.