Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

Tanner · Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:20 am

In post 1096, CantHateAPuppy wrote:I think sparing is slightly better here. If your argument is "scum bussed someone who wasn't chara for slightly better odds to push sparing later". That's just silly.

my argument is "elements/beeboy was a wagon with very little to no resistance or counters, and he flipped scum, which means that either scum is the low-influence PoE'd players, or elements was turbobussed with scum holding a lot of clout right now, and in both of those cases sparing is very counterproductive".

Tanner · Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:21 am

oh no, i want to townread chara for making sense...

Chara · Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:21 am

scum either bussed or just sat back and did nothing while we killed beeboy. do you really think

all

of them did the latter?
also, i find Tweet's lack of faith in me... disturbing.

ISO · Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:22 am

In post 1099, Chara wrote:thinking we can definitively find 3+ town based off one scum elimination is folly...
and not mine.

I think we could but it doesn't make sense to do that over just sniping 1 scum

Chara · Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:23 am

In post 1101, Tanner wrote:oh no, i want to townread chara for making sense...

what post are you talking about here?
i would say i was making just as much sense yesterday.

ISO · Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:23 am

In post 1102, Chara wrote:scum either bussed or just sat back and did nothing while we killed beeboy. do you really think
all
of them did the latter?
also, i find Tweet's lack of faith in me... disturbing.

(¬ω¬)

Lack of faith?

Hectic · Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:24 am

In post 1095, Prism wrote:I really wanted to take the extra day off and wait until tomorrow to post but I guess I should respond to that.

Literally was in the process of making a video celebrating your death in Flying Scumsman

Shitposting on Replica kicked in only when I was driven insane by the gamestate refusing to reevaluate on Farkran. Work through a couple of my towngames and see when I start shitposting.

The difference between my town and scumgames at this point is just the fact that I'm willing to even play the game at all.

This is true...

I'll have a look at your other town games in a bit.

Hectic · Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:24 am

In post 1105, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1102, Chara wrote:scum either bussed or just sat back and did nothing while we killed beeboy. do you really think
all
of them did the latter?
also, i find Tweet's lack of faith in me... disturbing.
(¬ω¬)

Lack of faith?

I find your lack of faith in me disturbing. I went down in your reads after Ele flipped scum?

Tanner · Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am

In post 1104, Chara wrote:
In post 1101, Tanner wrote:oh no, i want to townread chara for making sense...
what post are you talking about here?
i would say i was making just as much sense yesterday.

about 1099. i would agree with you, i just like it when people take my side in arguments when i really believe in them i guess. the post was meant to have a tone of "i know i shouldn't be townreading them for that"

Chara · Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:27 am

In post 1105, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1102, Chara wrote:scum either bussed or just sat back and did nothing while we killed beeboy. do you really think
all
of them did the latter?
also, i find Tweet's lack of faith in me... disturbing.
(¬ω¬)

Lack of faith?

i've been watching a lot of star wars.

but i am a little surprised at your list. can you talk about it?

Prism · Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:30 am

Also that paragraph is massive tinfoil to begin with.

I'm aware of a meta difference as scum. You already townread me, but I'm really self-conscious that you might notice the difference

I can just add it to my play....or I can concoct this weird WIFOM directly drawing your attention to it preemptively

Alternatively, I was curious to see how you'd react when presented with evidence that my tone isn't AI.

Hectic · Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:31 am

I find you harder to read on this account, Tanner. I guess I townlean you. The bad-VCA take and lack of desire to be on the wagon when it looked like a given is town-indicative.

Pooky on the other hand having his first vote of the game be on Ele when it looked like that was going through for sure is sus. Why didn't you ever vote for catboi, Pooky?
It's a good thing I can see your SOUL through how Ele interacted with you...

Chara · Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:32 am

i feel like the posts you directed us to were very different in tone to the town Prism i knew.
or maybe tonereading is bullshit and i read them that way because i knew you were linking to a scumgame?

in any case, i'm categorically uninterested in pushing you to Cats levels of despair in order to better read you.

Chara · Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:34 am

In post 1111, Hectic wrote:I find you harder to read on this account, Tanner. I guess I townlean you. The bad-VCA take and lack of desire to be on the wagon when it looked like a given is town-indicative.

Pooky on the other hand having his first vote of the game be on Ele when it looked like that was going through for sure is sus. Why didn't you ever vote for catboi, Pooky?
It's a good thing I can see your SOUL through how Ele interacted with you...

i agree with this.

i started thinking: now, who outright expressed a suspicion beeboy was town, but while the wagon was already pretty assured? that player has some townpoints. and i remembered it was probably Tanner, and you confirm it here.

ISO · Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:35 am

Maybe that method of showing reads is unclear -- they're all comparative

Hectic and Chara didn't go down, Puppy went above them

Hectic · Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:37 am

I mean, why didn't Hectic and Chara go up by virtue of pushing Ele, but Puppy did?

Chara · Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:38 am

HURT: Sujimichi
hopefully i'll actually remain caught up enough in order to press this to its fullest potential.

pedit: Hectic and Chara. i like that, let's go arm in arm to the end. i'd like to be the same alignment as you.

Hectic · Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:38 am

In post 1112, Chara wrote:in any case, i'm categorically uninterested in pushing you to Cats levels of despair in order to better read you.

Cats-level-of-despair-Prism was a blast though...you're tempting me.
I wonder what it'll take this time.

Chara · Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:41 am

i forgot how much i liked the playerlist for this game.
i miss kitty. and i also like beeboy as a player, so he can have some of that energy too.

pedit: a Farkran rep-in?

Prism · Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:42 am

Can you walk me through exactly how a beeboy scum flip led you to suspect me more as scum? Your scumread Day 1 was correct, so I don't see it as earthshaking. All of the points you're making feel less like a reread and more like something you've had waiting in the wings.

I didn't answer the first post about why I never asked you more on the reads. I was directly engaging with you, asked enough questions as is, and expressed my issue with the town (-MT) ordering section. It's pretty clear what I'm confused about and leaves it up to you whether to expound on it. I suspected it was just manure. I could have inserted a question mark if I wanted, though, sure.

ISO · Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:44 am

In post 1115, Hectic wrote:I mean, why didn't Hectic and Chara go up by virtue of pushing Ele, but Puppy did?

Cause I remember Puppy doing it better in my mind and i remember it being very early

I haven't reread yet because i've been bit doing that in advance in the past. Off the bat though I feel pretty good about a Sujimiji fight

Hectic · Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:44 am

In post 1116, Chara wrote:pedit: Hectic and Chara. i like that, let's go arm in arm to the end. i'd like to be the same alignment as you.

places. I'm tired of being a flower. There's just one thing left I want to do. Let's finish what we started. Let's free everyone. Then... let's let them see what humanity is REALLY like! That despite it all... This world is still "kill or be killed!!"

Prism · Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:46 am

Farkran wasn't really the issue/source of despair that game. It was Nacho. There were so many points I wish I could have reached through the monitor and slapped that little cute bird icon of his upside the head.

ISO · Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:47 am

In post 1120, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1115, Hectic wrote:I mean, why didn't Hectic and Chara go up by virtue of pushing Ele, but Puppy did?
Cause I remember Puppy doing it better in my mind and i remember it being very early

I haven't reread yet because i've been bit doing that in advance in the past. Off the bat though I feel pretty good about a Sujimiji fight

Oh also I'm sure not all 3 scum are going to be as simple as the elements-beeboy fight was, and if I had to guess there's probably one of them who doesn't look terrible rn. So Elements-beeboy + Suji (or Lavender, maybe..) + that person

My guess would be that person has a good interaction with the elements-beeboy wagon, and I'm guessing its not Puppy or my Spare bloc

Hectic · Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:49 am

In post 1119, Prism wrote:Can you walk me through exactly how a beeboy scum flip led you to suspect me more as scum? Your scumread Day 1 was correct, so I don't see it as earthshaking. All of the points you're making feel less like a reread and more like something you've had waiting in the wings.

I didn't answer the first post about why I never asked you more on the reads. I was directly engaging with you, asked enough questions as is, and expressed my issue with the town (-MT) ordering section. It's pretty clear what I'm confused about and leaves it up to you whether to expound on it. I suspected it was just manure. I could have inserted a question mark if I wanted, though, sure.

You were never voting for Ele despite expressing the fact you wouldn't mind a FIGHT there, and were regularly voicing support for FIGHTing me - a potential counterwagon to Ele. Fortunately for me, that lost its support towards the end.

Regarding the reaslist part: Which part of it were you bothered about? I wasn't exactly going to expound the whole thing -Morning without knowing what was concerning you.