Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Tayl0r Swift]

i really really feel like chara is chara.

I would like to know more - this is very interesting

shut up you jerk, you know what i mean.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no I really don't.

I'm sorry if I'm being a jerk in any way - I do not mean to be.

[Isis]

Spare Votecount 2.0

Hectic--------------------------

Chara---------------------------

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

Sujimichi--------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

Not sparing:

- (10) Hectic, Chara, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Sujimichi, Tanner, CantLynchAPuppy

Fight Votecount 2.0

Hectic--------------------------

Chara---------------------------

Prism --------------------------

(1) Hectic

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

Sujimichi--------------------------

(2) Morning Tweet, Chara

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

(1) Tanner

Not Fighting:

- (6) Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Sujimichi, CantLynchAPuppy

Nahdia got bored of the cave, feeling it needs more. It didn't even have a mushroom shaped stalactite anymore, they stuck that into a screw rivet to wear like a pin.
"This story needs to move on! What's the fastest way to travel?" They clapped their hands, and a pipe in the wall gushed copious amounts of water over the construction paper "pit", putting a huge surging river through the room until there was barely any stone to stand on.
"The river showed them the waaaay!" Nahdia shouted, floating on the surface of the water contrary to expectations of physics.
Morning Tweet could fly, but only just, and felt very anxious about sustained flight above such a strong flow of water.
"We need someone to be a boat. Prop duty. Someone with a water friendly body who could have room for several."
She did a loop de loop in the air, then landed helmet first on Sujimichi's shell with a CLUNK, causing the turtle to take one step forward towards the water to regain balance.
"I have someone in mind!" Tweet added, seemingly unshaken by the crash. She wore a helmet inside her helmet so when she would crash she would crash, and all.

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It takes six to make a decision. The deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-28 02:00:24)

[Tayl0r Swift]

no I really don't.

I'm sorry if I'm being a jerk in any way - I do not mean to be.

i still just feel like charas posts are mostly fluff and chara is present in the thread but not present in the scumhunting much. theres just too much fluff.

[Morning Tweet]

yesterday i was unsure about catboi and elements, but agreed with the rest of the readlist. actually im not quite sure why im so high up, but im not gonna question it too too much. i prolly just pocketed you by flopping your ears. i propose that we move hectic up in the readlist, and chara down. i really really feel like chara is chara.

hey!! my ears are my weak spot >﹏<

I might move Hectic up. I disagree with your full assessment of Chara, it has been scumhunting? And certainly not mostly fluff.. am I just remembering very poorly?

[Isis]

This

will not be counted as a vote because neither the word "HEAL" or "VOTE" was used in conjunction with the correct coloration.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no I really don't.

I'm sorry if I'm being a jerk in any way - I do not mean to be.

i still just feel like charas posts are mostly fluff and chara is present in the thread but not present in the scumhunting much. theres just too much fluff.

Can you give some examples as to what you mean?

Also why would that signal they are the Chara?

[Hectic]

i really really feel like chara is chara.

I would like to know more - this is very interesting

shut up you jerk, you know what i mean.

[Hectic]

i really really feel like chara is chara.

I would like to know more - this is very interesting

• Enter strong and accumulate some townreads.
  
• Be the first to push a scum buddy for some distancing for when you hopefully flip end of day 1.
  
• Fade away mid to end of day 1, trying to leave as few other associations as possible.
  
• Realise Ele is the only wagon and is going to be the FIGHT - be forced to produce more content and be in for another day.

I haven't seen anything

scummy

from it outside of just fitting what a

Chara

would do however.

[Hectic]

HURT: Sujimichi

[Hectic]

Oh there is one thing!
Hectic calls people different names? Maybe?
I really can’t tell, who is Launchy and who is Master Glyde?

and Master Glyde is simply the being that we all work for! He created us all for the sole purposes of finding the monsters, and he is a wonderful presence in all of our lives.

[Hectic]

Prism I don't think your Hectic vote is going anywhere.
Who else are you looking at right now?

Taylor is a good idea I think.

If it's not clear, by the way, I'm planning to vote beeboy unless there's a change in the winds.

Not really that interested in Taylor. Their reads are underexplained and that gets them slotted 3rd through 5th.

Why were Tayl0r's reads being underexplained a reason against voting her?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i really really feel like chara is chara.

I would like to know more - this is very interesting

shut up you jerk, you know what i mean.

gross overreactions often have comedic value. the internet makes it hard to evaluate though

[Sujimichi]

Hello! I have caught up on Day 1 and will start reading through today.

[Sujimichi]

Hello. I am not a lamp.

[Sujimichi]

HURT: Sujimichi

Would you mind explaining why?

[Hectic]

Hello. I am not a lamp.

[Hectic]

[Sujimichi]

I am also not Mafia, though you expressed that you believed me to be Mafia prior to my answering your question as to my status as a lamp. Why is that?

[Hectic]

It doesn't count if it's from a skeleton.

[Chara]

i really really feel like chara is chara.

I would like to know more - this is very interesting

• Enter strong and accumulate some townreads.
  
• Be the first to push a scum buddy for some distancing for when you hopefully flip end of day 1.
  
• Fade away mid to end of day 1, trying to leave as few other associations as possible.
  
• Realise Ele is the only wagon and is going to be the FIGHT - be forced to produce more content and be in for another day.

I haven't seen anything

scummy

from it outside of just fitting what a

Chara

would do however.

isn't this bullet list missing the part where i try and ensure some sort of town elimination? :>
what prompted you to defend Taylor's viewpoint here while saying you don't think i'm scum? or do you?

Taylor: i can admit my ISO does have an amount of fluff in it... but it seems you're ignoring the significant parts of it that are actual gameplay.

[Chara]

i'm on the Sujimichi murder-wagon, Prism.
my other reads haven't changed much yet, aside from cautiously trying out Tanner in the townpile.

I'm not really onboard with you. Me/catboi came to the same conclusion of their slot being town,

for the same reason

(Comparing their play to SIN/finding it a very natural extension). This is a real rarity.

#383 seems unlikely to me coming from an Elements/redtea team. Their stances in #427 and 595 aren't as good but don't seem that indicative to me?

Lastly, the catboi kill doesn't really seem to fit this. catboi was pushing my slot for scum and had redtea as hardtown. They're not very fightable but other than that ??? why kill this slot as Sujimichi

i disagree on 383. it's kind of a nothing stance to take on Elements.
and i suppose i don't find the meta argument very convincing. granted, it's been a while since i read it.

do you think Sujimichi had a complete grasp on the state of kitty's reads upon replacing in? it's true, maybe the partner did, but i can't think of who else i would have expected to see killed. kitty was pretty townread by my memory, and was doing a lot of hunting.

[Chara]

Actually I didn't really go very indepth on redtea, just very cursory. My previous post elaborated a bit but my read is almost entirely based off of me reading along with SIN. This game is very recent, featured strong townplay from cat that helped seal the game, and had redtea playing okay. Their biggest issue was probably a combination of lack of confidence in their scumreads and paranoia of their townreads.

catboi's "wait and see" approach this game stylistically is very similar to his approach in SIN. I think it's super natural for redtea to townread it (even though I don't), and the increased confidence/proactivity lines up really well with the takeaways from SIN. They also watched me flake without literally posting a single thing in that game as scum.

i understand what you're saying here, but it doesn't convince me wholeheartedly that redtea is town. i believe that they took SIN into account, absolutely, but what exactly prevents scum redtea from also learning from the game, as it relates to you and kitty?

[Hectic]

eliminated with little drawback, since the only person they would create associations with would be the person they get eliminated.

I don't see fluff as scummy, and haven't really been pinged by you otherwise.

[Prism]

I did some strategizing last night to see if we could figure out a way to autowin or near-guarantee it.

Unfortunately, it doesn't really exist. The EV for genocide is 72.6%, the EV for 1-3 spares is 63.8%.

There are some curiosities but we can't really take advantage of it (ex. Chara flip serves as a X&Y==Town? two person investigative. Sparing scum/town is autowin, sparing two town is not)