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[Datisi]

Vote count 3.03

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-10-03 13:30:00).

execution

osuka [3]:

Andresvmb, shellyc, PlusJOYED

Not Voting [6]:

Tayl0r Swift, NDMath, bob3141, Ydrasse, osuka, Menalque

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~ one day i'll make a VC that won't be instantly outdated. one day.

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[Tayl0r Swift]

plus i have a feeling that you’re scum backed up into a corner and you’re trying to throw out some weird theories in an effort to try and deflect elims away from you.

im fine with being elimed here it's just not my preference

[Tayl0r Swift]

i could maybe go for plus. i definitely go for bob over osuka today.

VOTE: bob

take that datisi's vc!

[PlusJOYED]

why is bob scum taylor?

[Tayl0r Swift]

1) the wifom argument that bob cant be scum because NKs.
2) if bob is good at PR hunting, bob kills teacher over the claimed and widely townread checker. so despite what bob is saying, NKA implicates bob
3) no scumhunting
4) bad posts
5) low content

[bob3141]

1) the wifom argument that bob cant be scum because NKs.
2) if bob is good at PR hunting, bob kills teacher over the claimed and widely townread checker. so despite what bob is saying, NKA implicates bob
3) no scumhunting
4) bad posts
5) low content

That is rather simplistic

1) I just love to tease scum scum on their bad nigth kill choices.

2) Thats just silly. Are you saying any game that a town pr dies Im scum? As that happens most games, just i always hit pr nigth 1 with out fail

3) I already got town block formed. Game ant realy interesting after you know the way to a win.

4) which posts are bad?
5) to be honest ill say half the players in this game post to much. I have a rule never more than 10 post per day average.

[Tayl0r Swift]

1) the wifom argument that bob cant be scum because NKs.
2) if bob is good at PR hunting, bob kills teacher over the claimed and widely townread checker. so despite what bob is saying, NKA implicates bob
3) no scumhunting
4) bad posts
5) low content

That is rather simplistic

1) I just love to tease scum scum on their bad nigth kill choices.

2) Thats just silly. Are you saying any game that a town pr dies Im scum? As that happens most games, just i always hit pr nigth 1 with out fail

3) I already got town block formed. Game ant realy interesting after you know the way to a win.

4) which posts are bad?
5) to be honest ill say half the players in this game post to much. I have a rule never more than 10 post per day average.

ok who is in your townbloc and who is scum then? why are the people in your PoE likely scum?

[Andresvmb]

osuka: iv or mena

this is correct but i said at some point that ill vote for bob if it looks like were getting a no lynch

This is why we aren’t doing Bob today. Osuka first. You can come at me later if this is wrong.

[Andresvmb]

Well its both.
Neither is a good behavior for town.
I dont like how osuka is playing either, if Kerset was any better maybe the wagon would've been on him right now.
Kerset's just worse

how is kerset worse

getting vaguely scummy vibes from teacher right now but i dont think it warrants a vote quite yet

I don’t think I’m too keen on getting rid of kerset just yet. The wagon feels off to me for one reason or another

Those of you on it, what are your reasons to lynch that slot

Again, I think it’s pretty obvious that Osuka has been anti-Town this whole time. All you have to do is go back and read.

[Andresvmb]

i think plusjoyed can be town for now? I'm not entirely sure. towny vibes but i'm wary of him for some reason

scum vibes from andres for distinctly indistinct reasons

menalque's iso is interesting. feels like fabricated disagreement and reads that slowly drift towards consensus while never truly getting there, all the while trying to make it seem like the reads are naturally evolving. very odd

Can we just kill this slot already?

[Andresvmb]

Anyway you all can take your time figuring out what you want to do. I really do think it’s extremely obvious that Osuka has a high chance to flip Scum.

[Andresvmb]

Either that or Osuka has horrendous reads and has been trying to push us away from Scum as Town. Which I guess would be sad? I somehow don’t think so though.

[osuka]

gonna try to catch up but gotta run in 5 minutes so i'll read only a few posts probably, be back in about an hour

[osuka]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

pardon? why would there be a mafia doctor? there's zero indication that we have a vig

bear in mind that sometimes an informed role isn't informed of the existence of a role in the setup, it may be informed of someone else's alignment (though obviously this only applies for a town-aligned informed role)

[osuka]

VOTE: Osuka

You will remember that Osuka voted for Kerset D1 as a policy and was desperately trying to get away from that vote when it hit 5.

please point out in my iso where i was deperately trying to get away from that slot

i've also pointed out that the policy lynch proposition was a joke to begin with because he said some weeb shit iirc

[osuka]

Osuka had a terrible D2

ive had a terrible game in general

[osuka]

Just realized I’m voting for kerset UNVOTE: kerset

so you dont realize your vote is on kerset for a long time despite being told but once sau unvotes you unvotes?

youre assuming that i read the thread

This is what I’m talking about.

since you seem to fit in both the "extra dense" category and one of the "blind" or "ignoring posts" category, here's a quote for you from the same page:

anyone else noticing osuka waffling and not taking a firm stance on anything? scumpoints to osuka. also yeah i kinda do assume you read the thread. thats like baseline minimum town kinda has to do.

that was a snarky way of saying i posted before i got to that point in the thread, but since you seem to be slightly dense i'll make sure to be extra explicit when talking to you from here on out

[osuka]

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

okay but like this doesn't really convince me, even after reading it twice, that it doesn't make sense to just have an informed townie? like it's roughly equivalent to enabler but with more incentive to out the information

like I feel like you're reading a lot into/making a lot of this but idk why it doesn't make sense to just give info to a VT on the assumption that they will out it to the PR thus creating what is basically a named townie which can fit in fine

normaly because from ive seen if a vt realy needs to know something. That means the entire town needs to know because why would one vt matter. In that case teh game simply becomes a semi-open.

Had a game where town were informed about two roles.

an informed vt is just a stronger version of a regular vt. why does this sound so outlandish to you?

[osuka]

@bob lets disregard setup spec. what do you think of osuka?

pedit: (no offense) joyed has a rather weak scumrange tbh, scum!joyed doesn't do anything but meh I'll give you this one since much of the plist was posting a shit ton

good odds of being scum.

The fact he helped run kerset up the first time as an early voter and never returned. Now kerset might have later claimed doc but at that point kerset hadnt claimed. not liking the fact he never returned in the second combo of it. One thing to not join in the first place but to leave when the pressure is high.


Nor once question kerset day two. I thought it was scummy that he had to be asked who he protected. And then dodged the question by claiming novice. An answer which was hammer worthy. So i would expect atleast soem questioning

why would i set up kerset and then run away? that makes zero sense

if i wanted to set him up, id bus for the towncred. if i wanted to save him, id never have set him up in the first place

[Andresvmb]

So Osuka’s defense appears to be that I’m extra dense, and that they’ve had a terrible game. Hm.

@Osuka, so who is Scum then? I recommend you don’t answer with (I don’t know), since you very much seem to have had an idea of what you wanted to push up until now.

[Andresvmb]

And the “desperately” trying to get away is a bit hyperbolic from my part, sure, but the point was more that you clearly did not want to sit on Kerset, put a joke vote there, and then moved away onto a Town player (IV) and defended the slot. Very obviously you don’t deserve Town points for that progression, or any other for that matter.

[Andresvmb]

And you moved away from Kerset once meaningful, sustained pressure was put on Kerset by 4 other players, and that wagon began to slowly lose momentum.

[bob3141]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

pardon? why would there be a mafia doctor? there's zero indication that we have a vig

bear in mind that sometimes an informed role isn't informed of the existence of a role in the setup, it may be informed of someone else's alignment (though obviously this only applies for a town-aligned informed role)

Those were the examples of all the informed town/scum ive seen in the games ive played on this site. Where i mentioned a how cop had ben informed about a doc minus its alignment. In that case it was due to there being town voyour and no vig/gunsmith.

Yep ive seen one of those (informed alignment townies) when i did sweep though load of setups last year.

[bob3141]

@bob lets disregard setup spec. what do you think of osuka?

pedit: (no offense) joyed has a rather weak scumrange tbh, scum!joyed doesn't do anything but meh I'll give you this one since much of the plist was posting a shit ton

good odds of being scum.

The fact he helped run kerset up the first time as an early voter and never returned. Now kerset might have later claimed doc but at that point kerset hadnt claimed. not liking the fact he never returned in the second combo of it. One thing to not join in the first place but to leave when the pressure is high.


Nor once question kerset day two. I thought it was scummy that he had to be asked who he protected. And then dodged the question by claiming novice. An answer which was hammer worthy. So i would expect atleast soem questioning

why would i set up kerset and then run away? that makes zero sense

if i wanted to set him up, id bus for the towncred. if i wanted to save him, id never have set him up in the first place

Since you have said in 3815 that the vote in 519 wasnt serous and that it simply got caught up in a wagon. What did you think of kerset and his wagon? Both at the time and in light of his flip.

[Andresvmb]

@Bob, I understand your defense is that based on your ability to understand setups, you would have figured out that an Informed Role was sitting next to a PR, and would have shot there first thing. I think you’ve made yourself abundantly clear.

You are obviously questioning Osuka, and I believe you have a Negative Lean there. You’ve also pushed NDMath before. Who would you knock out first out of NDMath/plusJOYED, if the choice was yours to make?