Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[April Ludgate]

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?

I was wrong. I had Bulge as scum before I town read ST.

But I’m actually starting to lean town on Bulge.

[The Bulge]

I can talk some s_s

Does he like to play in the moment as scum?

How relaxed vs serious is he as scum vs town?

oh sorry you meant meta. no can do there sadly

my favourite townread tho

[April Ludgate]

if you're not scum then youre just saying shit man idgi

I have a proven track record of town success, just because you can’t understand it, doesn’t mean that it doesnt bring success.

Your surface level of thinking, if you are town here, is a weak spot of your game. I laid down the path of dealing with me this game and laid limitations for myself so that everyone could trust me more. Scum see that later in the game you won’t be able to deal with me, so they have to act now.

This is one reason I’m leaning Alisae over you. I can see you having that surface level town thinking in this situation.

obviously i see you're doing "something" I'm calling it dumb and antitown at best, and your reaction and wherever your theatre is now going are making me reconsider. and who is claiming to understand your method? what does discrediting my town play even do for you here? i mean if that's how you win your arguments cool

Just cuz you can’t comprehend it, doesn’t make it anti town.

If you think for any moment that I won’t try my hardest to catch scum and do whatever I feel necessary to figure out and counter manipulate the game state, you crazy.

[April Ludgate]

And i dont care about winning arguments, i care about winning games.

[morph the cat]

I can talk some s_s

Does he like to play in the moment as scum?

How relaxed vs serious is he as scum vs town?

oh sorry you meant meta. no can do there sadly

my favourite townread tho

When you have time, I'm interested in what you have about him in this game.

[April Ludgate]

@Morph - What’s your read on Alisae?

[The Bulge]

if you're not scum then youre just saying shit man idgi

I have a proven track record of town success, just because you can’t understand it, doesn’t mean that it doesnt bring success.

Your surface level of thinking, if you are town here, is a weak spot of your game. I laid down the path of dealing with me this game and laid limitations for myself so that everyone could trust me more. Scum see that later in the game you won’t be able to deal with me, so they have to act now.

This is one reason I’m leaning Alisae over you. I can see you having that surface level town thinking in this situation.

obviously i see you're doing "something" I'm calling it dumb and antitown at best, and your reaction and wherever your theatre is now going are making me reconsider. and who is claiming to understand your method? what does discrediting my town play even do for you here? i mean if that's how you win your arguments cool

Just cuz you can’t comprehend it, doesn’t make it anti town.

If you think for any moment that I won’t try my hardest to catch scum and do whatever I feel necessary to figure out and counter manipulate the game state, you crazy.

I do believe that. but it's like how I could win at volleyball if i started kicking sand around everywhere

[morph the cat]

@Morph - What’s your read on Alisae?

That's one of the players we haven't done much with and at least I am not ready to attempt a shoot from the hip read. didn't much like their initial catch-up. but have liked the direction of some of their posts since then. Somewhat squinty about townreading us, but Alisae does have some experience playing with neuter-half. Only Cabd towngames, though afaik.

[April Ludgate]

I have interacted with everyone now, at least a little bit. Maria and Alisae would probably be the least interaction, but that’s fine, I’m more familiar with them.

PlusJoyed
Zmuffin
Remelia
420
Midwaybear
SS
Bell
Secret Tunnel
Morph
The Bulge
MariaR
Alisae

[The Bulge]

I can talk some s_s

Does he like to play in the moment as scum?

How relaxed vs serious is he as scum vs town?

oh sorry you meant meta. no can do there sadly

my favourite townread tho

When you have time, I'm interested in what you have about him in this game.

i have a few reads i wanna solidify later so ill prioritize this for then.

[Alisae]

Alisae has no reason “not to believe it” that’s just them trying to get it out before hand. It will confirm itself.

Also, I haven’t done anything like this in over a year, so people saying “always does this” have completely outdated meta

It doesn't matter, you're the boy who cried wolf.

[midwaybear]

What happened to Bell?

[The Bulge]

I have interacted with everyone now, at least a little bit. Maria and Alisae would probably be the least interaction, but that’s fine, I’m more familiar with them.

PlusJoyed
Zmuffin
Remelia
420
Midwaybear
SS
Bell
Secret Tunnel
Morph
The Bulge
MariaR
Alisae

is your read on me actually changing as frequently as you're saying?

[April Ludgate]

UNVOTE: Morph

Alisae’s vote on me is just so bad i don’t wanna believe it’s coming from scum. The timing mixed in with potential momentum swing is just incredibly scum beneficial, especially because it looked like Bulgee and I were gonna go at it.

[morph the cat]

I can talk some s_s

Does he like to play in the moment as scum?

How relaxed vs serious is he as scum vs town?

oh sorry you meant meta. no can do there sadly

my favourite townread tho

When you have time, I'm interested in what you have about him in this game.

i have a few reads i wanna solidify later so ill prioritize this for then.

What were you thinking to talk about when you replied to me initially?

[Alisae]

@Morph - What’s your read on Alisae?

That's one of the players we haven't done much with and at least I am not ready to attempt a shoot from the hip read. didn't much like their initial catch-up. but have liked the direction of some of their posts since then. Somewhat squinty about townreading us, but Alisae does have some experience playing with neuter-half. Only Cabd towngames, though afaik.

Its easier to trust you and not even bother sorting you until later in the game when there's more flips to work with.

[April Ludgate]

Alisae has no reason “not to believe it” that’s just them trying to get it out before hand. It will confirm itself.

Also, I haven’t done anything like this in over a year, so people saying “always does this” have completely outdated meta

It doesn't matter, you're the boy who cried wolf.

Nah, I’m been true claiming for years now.

A bigger overall reason, that’s a town trait of mine almost specifically. You voted to gain momentum not voted to find scum.

[morph the cat]

@Morph - What’s your read on Alisae?

That's one of the players we haven't done much with and at least I am not ready to attempt a shoot from the hip read. didn't much like their initial catch-up. but have liked the direction of some of their posts since then. Somewhat squinty about townreading us, but Alisae does have some experience playing with neuter-half. Only Cabd towngames, though afaik.

Its easier to trust you and not even bother sorting you until later in the game when there's more flips to work with.

Good chance we'll be chilling in the dead thread before that happens. Which I guess also works!

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Alisae

I noted in my notes that if Alisae is scum, they would fall for the bait eventually. You can check this post game.

[Alisae]

@Morph - What’s your read on Alisae?

That's one of the players we haven't done much with and at least I am not ready to attempt a shoot from the hip read. didn't much like their initial catch-up. but have liked the direction of some of their posts since then. Somewhat squinty about townreading us, but Alisae does have some experience playing with neuter-half. Only Cabd towngames, though afaik.

Its easier to trust you and not even bother sorting you until later in the game when there's more flips to work with.

Good chance we'll be chilling in the dead thread before that happens. Which I guess also works!

See thats what I'm thinking too tbh

[April Ludgate]

What happened to Bell?

I’m just getting paranoid based on their interactions with me regarding Morph. If Bell is town, and Morph is town, then Bell is playing really well, but on Day 1, I’m going to have paranoia.

Now that I’m .breaking out of my morph tunnel, I really hope Bell is town.

[April Ludgate]

I have interacted with everyone now, at least a little bit. Maria and Alisae would probably be the least interaction, but that’s fine, I’m more familiar with them.

PlusJoyed
Zmuffin
Remelia
420
Midwaybear
SS
Bell
Secret Tunnel
Morph
The Bulge
MariaR
Alisae

is your read on me actually changing as frequently as you're saying?

Yeah, I actually think ScumAlisae clears you, and I didn’t want to mention it earlier when I wasn’t sure, but Alisae does give up as scum and troll posts, on Day 1 too. I saw it in one of my games I modded.

[April Ludgate]

Was multiball, fire and ice variant, which is why i didn’t want to full send it, but that on top of some of the other things, alongside town reading the people I was arguing against he Alisae push earlier, like Zmuffin, i think it’s pretty likely Alisae is scum.

[April Ludgate]

They voted me for reasons in my town meta at a high momentum swing possible moment. That’s agenda.

[midwaybear]

I thought people said you do make these sort of claims as scum too.