Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[CantHateAPuppy]

MT as the deepwolf we've been looking for all along? :-[

MT u'd tell me if u were murderous right? u don't eat buttercups, right?

[Morning Tweet]

i only eat fruits. technically pollen sometimes too but not the flower itself

[CantHateAPuppy]

ok. i'll eat anything. i like bones and steaks. also cheese and used tissues

[Morning Tweet]

ok I think Puppy is safe

[CantHateAPuppy]

but are u ??????????

???

[Morning Tweet]

i dont eat buttercups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why would Chara either, actually??????????

if I'm Chara, what was the point of bussing Elements? Shouldn't elements bus me?

I guess the slot was super dead towards end of d1, but still, my life wouldn't be very important I may as well not spend it helping screw my buddy over (especially early-mid d1).

Also tiny self meta thing, but I'd never be like "Yeah this slot is flipping scum" confident on a bus or really any exile I don't think. If scum!me were thinking about how to emulate town!me, confidence is almost never in my playstyle

[Krazy]

Yeah but looking at your progression you kinda were late to the wagon. In any case that whole string of logic is also precisely why chara is likely to try to distance day 1

i have a positive read on Chara/catboi/Prism and probably a slight one on Puppy/Tanner. Puppy moreso than Tanner. Also maybe redtea. So like catboi>Chara>Prism>Puppy>Tanner>redtea

Undecided so far on {Hectic, Lavender, Pooky, taylor, and Elements}

HEAL: catboi
HURT: Elements

I have no idea how Elements got Puppy changing his tune from 193. also sheeping Chara

Spoiler: this post span

makes me sad but i know when i'm beat, 4 SPARES is a no go
any of ya gonna work out the numbers for 1 to 3 SPARES?

anyway, Prism town because he did the math and was accurate before catboi revealed his spreadsheets
he made the effort but showed no working or proof to try and make it look impressive or get any towncred from it

i believe catboi when he says he wouldn’t reveal the EV working if he was mafia
only because he decided to out his info right after I made a huge case on 4 SPARES, where there was some uncertainty where town would go, and it wasn’t just guaranteed to be genocide anyway

mechanically 4 spares is sub-optimal but if we don't spare we're basically just playing normal mafia

yeah bud, that's honestly my main issue
hopefully we can make a 1-3 SPARE route work if the EV for that is acceptable

hectic who would you spare right now

hectic who would you spare right now

changing your tune a bit

Elements should have known the context for puppys post, he was just talking to Hectic about it 2 posts above it! I am curious as to what the intent of pointing this out really was

Would probably stress over the spares a lot harder though because then scumChara poses a threat and I usually have at least one TR wrong

I think I know how to evaluate Lavender down the line probably and there is little info to be gained if we misfight them

Elements had like 1 or 2 posts that gave me pause about him.

Pooky I think is engaging in a heavily losing strategy if he's scum

VOTE: Taylor

HURT: Taylor

I mean you do try to derail onto Tayl0r, which still doesn't even guarantee Tayl0r is town, but in any case it's not like you were hard onto Elements consistently throughout the day.

By the time you return to beeboy he already had three solid votes on him so... yeah sorry I don't see how bussing a dead slot makes you town

Like, it's interesting that you're willing to reevaluate a scum slot (beeboy) throughout day 1 but seem to have 0 interest in reevaluating a town slot (me) on day 2

[Morning Tweet]

Wait aren't I scum with tayl0r? So I voted for both my partners as my main votes? I'm trolling if I'm Chara rn LOL

[CantHateAPuppy]

if I'm Chara, what was the point of bussing Elements? Shouldn't elements bus me?

not directed at u but just thinking out loud here

scum got fought D1 which is a game-losing move, which means scum wasn't all there or something went wrong. so there's something off about scum this game i guess, not sure what that means. not sure it matters a whole lot for this fight but i wouldn't be willing to rule out scum making a serious mistake here, because that's how scum got taken out in the first place

[Morning Tweet]

Fair enough i am not one to really play with a precise agenda as scum. I can see me making massive blunders left n right sure. I didn't cause im not scum, but I am capable of it

[CantHateAPuppy]

Wait aren't I scum with tayl0r? So I voted for both my partners as my main votes? I'm trolling if I'm Chara rn LOL

tbh if u're not trolling me rn what are u even doing w/ ur life

[Morning Tweet]

Krazy, if I'm not scum with Hectic, and Hectic is town as you say, how do you explain this?

-that i'm confident she's town. She's hard towntelling this game and I'd bet the game on her being town
(i have a towntell on her which has so far been very accurate - i'm not going to reveal what it is because it is too valuable)

HEAL: Morning Tweet

I have not once managed to avoid doing whatever it is Hectic notices I do as town. And he won't tell me what it is either :C

[Morning Tweet]

Wait aren't I scum with tayl0r? So I voted for both my partners as my main votes? I'm trolling if I'm Chara rn LOL

tbh if u're not trolling me rn what are u even doing w/ ur life

I guess I'm entertaining the idea that I'm scum this game..... hmm you make a good point. Maybe it's to figure out if Krazy is reading me in good faith? Maybe it's for fun. The used tissue and cheese diet was really funny to me lol

[Krazy]

who's your scumbuddy then? :3

[Isis]

I remembered while away from keyboard that a deadline extension for Sujimichi was not applied. It will be.

[Morning Tweet]

who's your scumbuddy then? :3

Can it really be anyone other than Hectic? If I'm scum he wouldn't be 100% sure I'm town. At worst, I might half-towntell. but this is a full one

If we're going to ignore Hectic's read on me, hmmmmmmmm

Not Hectic cause ignoring him, not Prism cause obvtown, not tayl0r -- im too willing to kill her, not Krazy (・ω・),

What's the pool.. Pooky/Puppy/Chara/Tanner/Lavender now?

It could be Lavender, there's nothing for me to defend about her but I have never really bothered pushing her -- I like the other options more.

Tanner I made some big posts about being town early game but haven't talked abt him recently much. I was considering him for scum but from his play today I took him off the table.

Puppy I am nearly locktowning. Mayyyyybe the bus on Element went awry and I'm trying to salvage it by pushing Puppy as conftown? That's WIFOM-y though, would I make my partner a really high townread? And is Puppy really viable scum?

Pooky I considered earlygame but as it went on I decided against him being scum. I even locktowned him end of D1. Same as Puppy then

Chara I really like just probably a tad less than others, maybe. I like its posting recently.

So like, I think the sweetspot for my partner might be around the Chara/Tanner area. After I suicide, I recommend looking within those two.

Of course, Lavender can be paired with anyone including me with ease. And if I feel like locktowning my partner and you think there was a hard bus on Elements, then Puppy/Pooky I guess

[Morning Tweet]

There, if I'm Not Chara and i wasn't throwing before, I definitely am now lol

[Krazy]

Wait what is the deadline now then?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

MT how confident are you that Krazy flips scum here?

Like using how sure you were about elements as a baseline - are we talking like 50% of that level or 70%?

[CantHateAPuppy]

There, if I'm Not Chara and i wasn't throwing before, I definitely am now lol

hm. is MT the kind of player who would just announce her whole scum plan and expect to get away with it via wifom?

if calling me locktown is a way to pocket me out of this suspicion it might work

[Prism]

Chara, how are you feeling/what are you thinking about now that we've had a day to slow down and think?

[Prism]

HURT: Taylor

I am not as confident in this anymore as I would like to be. However, even if it is wrong I suspect Krazy will also be town. I want blood, and between the two I think this has a much better chance.

[Morning Tweet]

There, if I'm Not Chara and i wasn't throwing before, I definitely am now lol

hm. is MT the kind of player who would just announce her whole scum plan and expect to get away with it via wifom?

if calling me locktown is a way to pocket me out of this suspicion it might work

As much as I would love to say yes, no I am not. Scum makes me insanely stressed out -- it grinds my posting rate down to a halt and I carefully read everything I post and think heavily about how it is interpreted

i wrote that speculation post in a few minutes and I didn't even reread it

However you could make the argument that I stopped caring because I know I'm about to suicide. However HOWEVER, I would feel really bad if my scumpartner gets screwed by that speculation post (even if it's by accident). I really wouldn't want to hurt their chances (again even if its by accident)

But i don't have a partner so I can't do that (>ω<)

[CantHateAPuppy]

There, if I'm Not Chara and i wasn't throwing before, I definitely am now lol

hm. is MT the kind of player who would just announce her whole scum plan and expect to get away with it via wifom?

if calling me locktown is a way to pocket me out of this suspicion it might work

As much as I would love to say yes, no I am not. Scum makes me insanely stressed out -- it grinds my posting rate down to a halt and I carefully read everything I post and think heavily about how it is interpreted

i wrote that speculation post in a few minutes and I didn't even reread it

However you could make the argument that I stopped caring because I know I'm about to suicide. However HOWEVER, I would feel really bad if my scumpartner gets screwed by that speculation post (even if it's by accident). I really wouldn't want to hurt their chances (again even if its by accident)

But i don't have a partner so I can't do that (>ω<)

hm. guess i could believe this self-meta for now. BUT im keeping an EyE on U

[Prism]

Pooky, I'm curious as to some stances from you. You've been cautious about the Krazy wagon and seem to be conflicted-heart says yes, mind says no, here are some bad things about Taylor. Bits and pieces of your other reads might be found elsewhere but a collection/overview of where you're at with the game overall.

You haven't voted, so I'm wondering if that is all trying to figure out Krazy v. Taylor, or if there's some other reason you're waiting/other party you're looking at.